Posted by lundtheconqueror at 5/9/08 3:47 p.m.

So, will Hawn get the same treatment by the company? This should be interesting...

Posted by frustrated at 5/9/08 4:01 p.m.

What a contrast with the stellar ethics and environmentalism of Doug Walker and other former leaders of WRQ. Bring back Doug!

Posted by unregistered user at 5/9/08 5:06 p.m.

Apparently, in Mr. Hawn's case MBA stands for Motivated by Avarice. The man has every resource at his disposal. He's educated, has a position in his community, is a congregant in a Christian church, has money, and mobility. But he's morally bankrupt.

Message to the owners of Attachmate (Thoma Cressy Bravo, Golden Gate Capital, Francisco Partners): Do you suppose Mr. Hawn's poor judgement is limited to situations involving bison or do you think it might extend more generally to business practice?

Posted by yaddayadda at 5/9/08 5:12 p.m.

Like the bison were somehow ruining his life? As CEO, do you think he was spending any time at his "ranch?" It's all about me! What a maniacal narcissist. A common trait among serial killers is a history of torturing and/or killing small animals as a child. Makes you wonder about this freako. Glad I don't work for him.

Posted by USAGYM08 at 5/9/08 5:22 p.m.

I'm heartened by the posts so far. This is a really, REALLY disturbing story. Admittedly I know nothing about Hawn. And now I don't want to.

Posted by Old Goat at 5/9/08 5:26 p.m.

He should be made to recover ALL of the bison carcasses personally.... at HIS EXPENSE, plus a huge fine. And I'm sure he can afford it all. Oh, and don't forget, Public Service for the state game department, maybe as a janitor for 5 years in the evenings? People of his ilk just drive me off the deep end!

Posted by unregistered user at 5/9/08 5:48 p.m.

If his land is fenced off, it is not open range. He should have waited until the bison were on his land, which is where he went wrong.

Posted by Arty Ziff at 5/9/08 5:56 p.m.

People, he's a CEO, he is ***NOT*** bound by the same laws as you and I. Silly little people.

Posted by Westender at 5/9/08 6:45 p.m.

It is amazing that a neanderthal of this magnitude still roams the earth. I have a suggestion to the board of this company: Do the right thing and remove this person from your boardroom and spare your company and personnel any more humiliation!

Posted by rbob at 5/9/08 6:49 p.m.

...If his land is fenced off doesn't matter. Range area means that it is incumbent upon a land owner to keep offending animals off his property if he doesn't want them there. If he fails to, his property is fair fodder for range animals. That is the law. I'd think it would take quite a fence to deter a determined bison. I don't think they aren't interested in nibbling your flower garden like deer and cattle are, but haven't had any for neighbors.

Range area also means that the animals have the right of way. If you hit a steer or other critter, you are responsible to it's owner for the cost and the owner is not responsible for your vehicle.

I once went to a drive thru game farm near Sequim that had bison and sold day old bread you could feed them. I remember having a wet nose the size of a basketball snarfling up my side window, their way of begging I guess. The little Toyota we were in, I judged would be no protection at all from one of them should it decide we were holding out. I was real glad to go see the giraffes.

Posted by AvalancheChief at 5/9/08 6:52 p.m.

Pretty amazing - free range laws vary from state to state but they are explicit - why in the Hell would you own a 1/2 square mile ranch (give or take - about 600 acres to a square mile if I remember correctly) and then hire hunters to keep the wildlife OFF your Colorado ranch????

If he doesn't want wildlife walking through his property, he could of bought a condo in Belltown.

Sick...and stunning to me that the hunters would have consented and then left the carcasses behind.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/9/08 6:55 p.m.

One moment of patience may ward off great disaster. One moment of impatience may ruin a whole life....

-Chinese proverb

This guy must have wanted to revisit the good old days
of slaughter and waste of bison. He believes that he could hide behind the aegis of an attorney from the law.
That could be true. However, I *doubt* that he can hide from the court of public opinion and for crying out loud,
human decency.

Posted by kilroy77 at 5/9/08 6:56 p.m.

He's just trying to create a natural preseve free from the intrusions of his neighbor's non-native bison.I've seen similar problems in Nevada where feral horses are called wild mustangs and displace the native wild deer and antelope.Wouldn't it be nice if Seattle wasn't full of pigeons,starlings and english sparrows.As for being a CEO, he sure shows that killer instinct admired in business!

Posted by rbob at 5/9/08 6:58 p.m.

"Range Area" is a legal definition, not just a descriptive one. In such an area, if you shoot your neighbors steer even on your property, you just bought it.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/9/08 7:20 p.m.

I find this worse than what Michael Vick did yet I doubt he'll get anywhere near the amount of scrutiny or penalty.

Posted by bofus at 5/9/08 7:23 p.m.

Posted by kilroy77 at 5/9/08 6:56 p.m.

"He's just trying to create a natural preseve free from the intrusions of his neighbor's non-native bison."

Non-native bison? Sorry they are more native than you or I.

Here is a map of their historic range
http://www.discoverlife.org/nh/tx/Vertebrata/Mammalia/Bovidae/Bos/bison/images/Bison_bison_map.320.jpg.html

Posted by USAGYM08 at 5/10/08 7:55 a.m.

rbob:

"I once went to a drive thru game farm near Sequim that had bison and sold day old bread you could feed them. I remember having a wet nose the size of a basketball snarfling up my side window, their way of begging I guess."

Ah, yes, the good old Olympic Game Farm. I never understood how a diet of processed starch was considered healthy for living creatures.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/10/08 8:47 a.m.

My, my how we've fallen!

Doug Walker, the "W" in WRQ, and it's former CEO is known for philanthropy, environmentalism, the highest of ethics, and is currently the chairman of the board of REI.

Now, with the merged Attachmate/WRQ company, its new CEO is known for *this*??

The board of Attachmate should call for his resignation immediately, before he further damages what was once a great company.

Posted by hardright at 5/10/08 9:15 a.m.

I could see a new future for this jerk. Perhaps working for Colorado DOT picking up roadkill for two or three years plus paying the bisons owner for his loss. I thing that would be fair.

If I had any control of this company, this jerk would have the time for his crime.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/10/08 2:27 p.m.

This will be interesting as Hawn and Charles Sansbury, the CFO, are very good friends. Think they ran in the same circles back at Vignette. Very sad story. Poor bison never had a chance.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/10/08 11:47 p.m.

Absolutely amazing - another Dick Cheney (killed hundreds of waterfowl in a single day with hunting partners) in the making. Apparently the new "improved" Attachmate doesn't have a code of conduct/ethics or Hawn wouldn't be CEO.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/11/08 8:46 a.m.

Bisonburgers are very tasty.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/11/08 3:05 p.m.

I hope he gets *turned out* in prison. Inmates would love to get a piece of him.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/12/08 8:28 a.m.

Why would you be surprised by whatever this slime ball does? He came to the company I worked for, laid off 25% of the organization then took his leave just days after fulfilling enough obligation so he didn't have to repay his multi-million dollar loan. What makes you think he would give a crap about bison????

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 5:03 a.m.

Guys guys guys... hold on to your emotions... There is big confusion here. I know him personally and he is not responsible for this. Wait until the judgement.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 8:56 a.m.

Big confusion? Please explain.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 12:30 p.m.

Anyone who posts anonymously saying "trust me, it's not this way," and provides no factual backup whatsoever is akin to a snake oil salesman.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 5:43 p.m.

I'm really hoping PETA has some covert team ready to take this case.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/15/08 1:25 a.m.

Here is a guarantee.... the case will simply "go away" said farmer/owner will accept a gift in the background, while whoever is responsible for the prosecution will ensure the charges are lessened or dropped completely. Clearly thats for the good of the seattle community, after he is a pillar of it, is he not? ;)

Posted by unregistered user at 5/15/08 9:41 a.m.

They are wild animals. Get over it.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/22/08 1:33 p.m.

What jail is he in? I would like to send him a stuffed buffalo toy he can sink his teeth into while he is repeatedly violated by his fellow inmates. Better make the toy big enough to muffle the screams.

Posted by yeahguy at 5/29/08 1:07 p.m.

"Cheney killed hundreds of waterfowl." Good; bring him to the shores of Lake Washington; plenty of geese to be shot.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/29/08 1:53 p.m.

Anyone have any qualms about skinning this guy?

I'm so sick of the greed, avarice and downright monstrous behavior of these sickos.