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Monica Guzman
Notorious Kirkland troll tells how to avoid his wrath

Sunday's New York Times magazine featured one of the most chilling articles I've read on one of the Web's oldest and darkest nuisances - trolls.

Trolls are the poltergeists of the Internet. Invisible and cruel, they wreak havoc in search of something called "lulz," which the article defines as "the joy of disrupting another's emotional equilibrium."

One of the most famous trolls in the world lives in Kirkland. His name is Jason Fortuny.

Fortuny made a name for himself in 2006 with something he called the Craigslist Experiment. Posing as a woman looking for sex, Fortuny snared 170 men through a fake Craigslist ad, then publicly released the men's names, e-mails and other personal information. The P-I's Robert Jamieson wrote about the backlash that followed. See that column here.

Fortuny didn't stop there. When 13-year-old Megan Meier was driven to kill herself by Lori Drew, a mother who is alleged to have posed as a boy on MySpace, Fortuny created a fake blog to play with people's hunger for remorse.

"You know how on your favorite basic cable reality shows the camera captures some crazy person's meltdown? You squeal with delight at the sheer entertainment value of it. Same thing here. Trolls love a good online meltdown. It brings the lulz," Fortuny wrote in a response to the article.

The only thing that I'm sad wasn't covered is the one troll ethic: you'll never see us go after someone who has their act together. If they say or do intelligent, clever, witty, insightful things, we'll be the first to cheer and shower them with praise. We love smart people.

Fortuny went on to describe two ways people can get rid of trolls: not replying and playing along.

However, just so I can be absolutely clear about this: if you escalate a war of words with a troll, you WILL lose. We know all the tricks. We have access to all the resources. We know all the laws. We're all friends with each other. We have done this thousands of times.

Posted by at August 4, 2008 1:30 p.m.
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#160849

Posted by unregistered user at 8/4/08 1:57 p.m.

this guy is a creep and a perfect metaphor for the high tech culture in seattle. i'm sure he'll get lots of job offers and maybe a book deal out of the article.

#160851

Posted by Will in Seattle at 8/4/08 2:00 p.m.

There are also WoW trolls, and by that I mean trade channel spammers.

Sadly, they're usually teens and pre-teens who crave attention.

#160863

Posted by nullbull at 8/4/08 2:14 p.m.

Hey UR - nice post! I like how you go from being digusted with the article to insulting all of Seattle high-tech culture. AWESOME! Oh, and the insinuation that he's a greedy, greedy b@stard at the end was just the icing on the cake. Not transparent AT ALL! Tut, tut, well done.

#160868

Posted by judman25 at 8/4/08 2:19 p.m.

What a weirdo.
Good job!

#160880

Posted by checkReality at 8/4/08 2:35 p.m.

True Trolls are classic sociopaths. Fortuny fancies himself a neo-vigilante, makes mistakes he will never admit, and in some cases is not even aware of. No one is that good that they can carry on indefinately.

Most trolls were never properly socialized as kids, retain the emotional IQ of one, some are even older crotchety retirees with nothing more productive to do anymore.

The worst trolls count on light or no moderation to give them a voice. They all crave attention, so not responding to them is good advice. There is a difference between calling someone out on BS, and spewing it yourself like a teenager who thrills at disruption, so they can be amused at other's expense.

#160886

Posted by unregistered user at 8/4/08 2:40 p.m.

http://www.rfjason.com

#160895

Posted by unregistered user at 8/4/08 2:58 p.m.

Hey, Monica, you're a reporter -- why not get an interview with Fortuny yourself?

#160904

Posted by voiceofcommonsense at 8/4/08 3:04 p.m.

"You squeal with delight" That says everything about a loser like this!

#160912

Posted by unregistered user at 8/4/08 3:16 p.m.

thanks nullbull. i think i captured nicely the weird proclivities of you little techie elitists who are driving up the price of everything in this town and driving real reporters out of work with all the fascinating--meaning: worthless--gadgets, widgets and search technologies you guys create while you suck all the revenue out of traditional media. please pat yourself on the back and go hang out with the kirkland creep.

you guys haven't advanced society or culture one inch.

#160917

Posted by JustRoss at 8/4/08 3:29 p.m.

The only thing that I'm sad wasn't covered is the one troll ethic: you'll never see us go after someone who has their act together. If they say or do intelligent, clever, witty, insightful things, we'll be the first to cheer and shower them with praise. We love smart people.

Translation: You'll never see us pick on the strong and the capable, and the people who have the same sense of humor that we do. We only pick on the weak and the vulnerable, especially if they have different values than us.

Great ethic, there.

#160923

Posted by unregistered user at 8/4/08 3:33 p.m.

"However, just so I can be absolutely clear about this: if you escalate a war of words with a troll, you WILL lose. We know all the tricks. We have access to all the resources. We know all the laws. We're all friends with each other. We have done this thousands of times."

Translation: "WE ARE TOTAL LOSERS WHO HAVE NO LIVES"

Clowns like this must have gotten their a**es kicked on a daily basis in high school.

#160957

Posted by Traci_UDistrict at 8/4/08 4:14 p.m.

Sociopaths.

There are trolls who exemplify the old troll tradition of playing a joke in good fun to see how long they can carry it on, who like creating fantasy characters but only as theater and not to deceive, or who can be annoying but act as good hearted pot-stirrers on forums.

BUT, the vast majority of what people call trolls are malicious loners and losers who lack the normal ability to feel true emotion, especially empathy. They are cyber-vampires leeching off the emotions of others, especially those who whom they have insulted, stalked or in any other way emotionally tortured. That is their pleasure, the suffering of others.

In the anonymity of the internet, those who are afraid of normal and healthy REAL LIFE human interaction and community and who fear to show their inner ugly faces to the light of day lest they get well-deserved ostracism for spouting slurs and epithets and acting like common criminals have found a home.

#160965

Posted by Traci_UDistrict at 8/4/08 4:19 p.m.

Oooh lookie, this soundoff on trolls has it's own unregistered troll mascot!

#161024

Posted by Catch at 8/4/08 5:28 p.m.

Malicious: yes. Losers: yes. Loners: likely, as who would want to be around them? Psychopathic: maybe. Dangerous: lol. Pathetic cowards who would never in a hundred years dare take somebody on face-to-face: absolutely. Easy to ignore: you bet.

Pax.

#161059

Posted by unregistered user at 8/4/08 6:37 p.m.

Notorious Kirkland....go outside. It would do you some good.

#161089

Posted by Panzo at 8/4/08 7:50 p.m.

Sociopaths, bullies and, in the end, cowards.

The two things they fear the most (except for running out of pimple cream) are running into someone smarter than they are and the inability to generate attention to themselves.

It's ill-intentioned behavior like this that will one day push the Internet into government moderation and the online bullies back to pulling the wings off of flies for kicks.

#161130

Posted by DB at 8/4/08 10:25 p.m.

I agree with the previous troll analysis is correct. Trolls, you are just as cowardly and infantile as someone who yells insults from a passing car. Get a life.

#161386

Posted by unregistered user at 8/5/08 12:26 p.m.

Fascinating bully mentality. If he took his "troll ethic" out on the streets, he'd wind up in prison in less than an hour -- after all, he'd spend that hour marching up and down the sidewalk, punching and yelling at people who didn't "say or do intelligent, clever, witty, insightful things" per his largely arbitrary standards.

In many ways, I feel sorry for him and people like him. They must have been so sorely abused by life in the real world that when they find a medium in which it's possible to act out without repercussions, they would rather develop a bizarre code of conduct that makes such behavior "acceptable" than attempt to establish an empathetic connection between their own pain and suffering and that which they inflict on others.

I'd still punch him in the nads if I saw him on the street, though.

#161403

Posted by Panzo at 8/5/08 12:49 p.m.

UnReg 161386 is exactly right.

Trolls lack empathy. That's what makes them sociopaths and possibly psychopaths.

Panzo's Armchair Psychology For The Not So Gifted ($19.99 at Better Bookstores) sez that trolls have the same gnawing rats in their heads as serial killers.

They wander the Internets looking for victims and attack without empathy or remorse.

I won't equate the violence that trolls do with that of a serial killer at all but the personality disorders appear the same from this armchair.

#161660

Posted by Onyotaka Lukwe at 8/5/08 8:11 p.m.

Woe, woe unto the Republic of Paxfulharem.

#161689

Posted by unregistered user at 8/5/08 8:51 p.m.

we hearts you. Pxers

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/08/05/1351217.shtml

#161955

Posted by unregistered user at 8/6/08 10:49 a.m.

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#163278

Posted by unregistered user at 8/9/08 9:53 a.m.

I luv Jason

#214257

Posted by unregistered user at 11/10/08 11:20 a.m.

Speaking of Jason Fortuny, looks like he's had plenty of criminal and civil court activity:

Kcdc-west Div (sdc) Y4-000622 01-26-2004

King Co Superior Ct 08-9-32243-8 10-23-2008

King Co Superior Ct 08-2-30301-2 09-04-2008

Pierce Co Superior 00-2-08421-3 06-02-2000

King Co Superior Ct 08-2-36569-7 10-23-2008

Pierce Co Superior 01-9-08250-8 06-22-2001

Kirkland Municipal 17424 06-12-2002

Kcdc-east Div (isq) C00006878 06-03-2004

Kcdc-east Div (ned) Y2-030364 04-24-2002

Fircrest Municipal C00035455 03-29-1999

Kirkland Municipal 16442 09-04-2001

Federal Way Muni CA0029461 05-29-2003

Kcdc-east Div (isq) I00032441 06-23-2004

Kcdc-east Div (isq) Y4-001372 03-02-2004

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