Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:16 a.m.

I would feel safer if the ferry system would stop running the governor's recorded voice every day bragging about how WA state ferries are the world's safest ferries.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:18 a.m.

So you publish the name and photo of the guy accused of having sex with his dog, then bury the story where it turns out his wife made it all up to get a divorce, but you won't publish photos to help the FBI locate some people they are curious about. Your line is very fuzzy.

I pray nothing happens to the ferries. If something does, I hope you can live with your decision.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:18 a.m.

Posting the pictures after a crime is commited makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:24 a.m.

Publish the pictures. It is ridiculous not to.

Posted by thedman at 8/21/07 11:24 a.m.

I looked at the pictures:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=26742_FBI_Searches_for_Suspicious_Ferry_Passengers#comments
And I think you are all a bunch of liberal stuffed shirt hypocrites.(and is your picture hiding a ponytail?)

Posted by A Thoughtful Person at 8/21/07 11:29 a.m.

Anyone who cares about this discussion should read the book "How Good People Make Tough Choices" by Rushworth Kidder. This book breaks open the "right vs. right" decisions we are faced with every day.

I applaud the managing editor for recognizing this as a "right vs. right" decision, then for proceeding with integrity, including the public analysis of the decision.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:39 a.m.

So I guess the editor of the times knows more then the FBI? If the FBI is concerned and want to talk to some people, I really don't want a editor preventing that from happening. Multiple people on multiple ferries reported these guys and from another news source i read one looks a lot like a known terrorist, which is why the fbi is interested in them. With 9/11 coming up, do you really think this is wise? I'd rather not see you posting their photos on 9/12

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:39 a.m.

I agree with the decision not to publish the pictures. Publishing photos of someone has virtually the same effect on that person's privacy as publishing a name, and many newspapers choose not to publish the names of suspects not yet charged with crimes.

Seems I remember a time when the right to privacy was championed by conservatives, and I'm not all that old.

Posted by lordrishan at 8/21/07 11:40 a.m.

Post the pictures - safe than sorry - if they are innocent too, people can clear it up.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:41 a.m.

Obviously they are guilty--they aren't smiling. They should be Gitmo'd, no trial necessary.

Posted by led at 8/21/07 11:44 a.m.

This is a great example of how irrelevant (and useless) that the liberal mainstream media (including both the PI and Seattle Times) has become.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:49 a.m.

How can people help if they don't see the photo's? Just publish them. I think we also have the right to know what Ferry runs they were seen on.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:51 a.m.

Here's the test case. The FBI comes to the SPI sometime in 1999 or 2000 with a picture of Mohammad Atta saying "We're not accusing this guy of anything, and he hasn't forged IDs (yet) or overstayed his visa (yet) but he sure shows a lot of interest in learning how to pilot a 747, but skips all the landing classes. We'd sure like to find this guy and see if he would be willing to answer a few questions for us, you know, just in case, to be safe and proactive instead of waiting until after he does something horrible and it's too late. Will you publish this guy's picture and ask the public if they've seen him around?

According to this decision, which is highly analogous, the SPI would tragically say "Nope!" without any convincing explanation consistent with past instances of publishing people's photographs.

The editor of a major metropolitan newspaper should be able to articulate the standards and circumstances where he would or would not publish the photos or at the very least which civil liberties would allegedly be violated by publication.

Is there a civil liberty against one's picture being published in a paper as "a person that your government, out of reasonable concern and desire to protect public safety, is trying to locate and which therefore would like the assistance of the public"?

The editor say it "seems problematic" but doesn't explain what the precise problem would be. I ask myself, if I was completely innocent, but for some reason the FBI wanted to ask me some questions, wouldn't I be glad to help? Yes. Would I suffer any significant damage or defamation to my character? No. Could the one time in a hundred that some folks were up to no good save allow our security agents to save hundreds of lives. Yes. Don't allege "civil liberties problems", explain them, or risk not being believed.

Sure, a paper is not a machine with a fixed computer program of hard-and-fast rules, or a judge with a defined public duty to decide in a particular way. There should be some room for judgment, and one could say it should always be an editor's subjective call to decide. But an editor giving himself pure discretion in a matter such as this is a power too corruptible with political bias to maintain a reputation of credibility.

Posted by retep at 8/21/07 11:54 a.m.

I never thought about whether it's right or wrong to post the pictures until I read this story. It didn't even occur to me. King 5 ran the pics last night. I thought, wow....more scare tactics so we have something else to "worry" about. Like we don't already have enough stuff to make us more afraid of leaving our houses every day.

But now that I think about it, I think I have to agree that it's the right thing not to run their pictures. I think we're all paranoid. And yes, 9/11 happened and it was tragic. But it happened and was it avoidable? I don't think so. How is anyone one agency anywhere in the world going to really stop a group of people or two guys from committing a terroist act? They're not. I guess these are the times that we are currently living in and it's a sad commentary that there is so much hate in this world. Most of it is self inflicted due to ignorance and lack of education. I understand there are a whole host of other reasons, but those are some of the very base roots for it. And oh, religion. Like that's ever helped anything. Being spiritual helps. Actually it makes us stop the crazy acts we all inflict on each other. But religion, only makes it worse. More swirl. Just what we need.

So who cares who these guys are. Tourists or terroists. If they are planning something on the ferry system and you're not blown up in the blast, you have a much better chance of treading water in Puget Sound waiting for a pick up than the choice to burn to death or jump 90+ stories to your death like many of those in the world trade centers. We need to all forgive more. We need to all love each other more and then the fear will start to disapate and we won't have to worry about this type of stuff.

Think about it!

Peace!

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:56 a.m.

Well, since they haven't been found yet, it seems Mr. Managing Editor should publish the photos...I can sort of undertand waiting, but once there are no people jumping up and down saying "Oh, that is George from my mechanical enginering class" then maybe they should publish them

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:57 a.m.

I would tell you to publish the pictures, but we can all just go to other sites and get the info your site is lacking....

Posted by usesomelogic at 8/21/07 12:00 p.m.

Are you kidding???? If they are tourists from Texas then they could probably care less that a Seattle newspaper showed their photos. Plus if they have nothing to hide then it really shouldn't be a big deal.

Please post the photos everywhere and clear it up later if needed.

Posted by J.P. Patches Pal at 8/21/07 12:04 p.m.

So the P-I will publish the name and criminal history of the man who was involved in the crane accident where a "Microsoft lawyer" was killed, but refuse to publish the photo of these two individuals?

Would the P-I have published the photo if it showed two white men with crew cuts wearing camouflaged
clothing (like Timothy McVeigh)?

Posted by Concerned_Citizen at 8/21/07 12:06 p.m.

It's amazing to me to think that, in this internet era, the Seattle Times is arrogant enough to think that they can 'hide' something from the public. By not publishing the pictures, they are making themselves less relevant - additionally, through the controversy, they are making the story bigger than it would be otherwise.

This is a perfect example of why newspapers, and big media in generaly, is losing readers by the thousands.

Posted by 5thcolumncure at 8/21/07 12:10 p.m.

It's fine if you don't show the pictures of 'Texas tourists' taking multiple pictures of multiple ferries. We all know how interested 'Texas tourists' are in the operations of our ferries to the point of where both fellow passengers AND ferry employees felt the need to bring this to the attention of proper officials.

Fine. Don't show the photos.
I know what they look like anyway.

No blood on my hands if those 'Texas tourists' turn out to be the real deal and end up committing an act resulting in the deaths of innocent ferry travelers. Can's say the same for you, though.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 12:13 p.m.

Would you post them if they appeared white. I think you would you PC spinless turds.

Posted by Bob Baldwin at 8/21/07 12:16 p.m.

The funny thing is David, IT'S NOT YOUR CALL! You are supposed to print the news, not suppress it as you see fit. Thanks for letting your liberal viewpoints influence what should be unbiased news reporting.

Posted by Boyerbl at 8/21/07 12:28 p.m.

I hope you feel save riding the ferry system. If I see them I would photgraph them as well. I rather see an retraction then a chance to nab a terrorist. We have allready had a bomb on a ferry from Canada and we were very lucky then. Not counting Iraq we are at war against a hidden enemy and being vigilant is our only hope.

Posted by AksalaSeawolf at 8/21/07 12:29 p.m.

If ferry workers noticed some unusual behaviour, that's a red flag. They are trained to notice such things. The p.i., fair and balanced.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 12:42 p.m.

To Thedman: No, my picture is hiding a bald spot, not a pony tail. But if it were "hiding a pony tail," would that make me an ancient hippie? or a terrorist? Interestingly, you've just amplified on my point.

-- David McCumber

Posted by antismoker at 8/21/07 12:43 p.m.

Hmmm...why is it so important that you won't run pictures of these two men who may be trying to cause trouble for many innocent people who rely on the ferry to get to and from their homes? I get it, it's more important to protect them instead of all the children and adults on the ferry system. It's not really a problem until it happens right? I'll let you know if I survive some king of explosion while I and my kids are riding the ferry from Vashon Island to West Seattle. Thanks for looking out for them instead of all the rest of us citizens. Great job!

Posted by LoveYourViaduct at 8/21/07 12:44 p.m.

Unbiased reporting includes respecting the rights of others. Who cares if the P-I doesn't print the photos? You know damwell Q13 will lead the infotainment charge.

I act strange all the time, maybe even on ferries on occasion. What's normal anyway? Fortunately, I'm fully white caucasian, so I draw ridicule instead of scrutiny. Oh well, guess the Q won't post my pic anytime soon.

Who do these two look like? Like about 500 million other people from the middle east/south Asia. They may even remotely resemble the 9/11 terrorists. Like the Japanese all look the same. What of it?

Any of you really want your photo splashed all over the world because your manner fits someone's idea of 'strange' behavior? I'll bet you'd be upset if it happened to you. I like being anonymous, and strange. Happily, my skin color allows me to do that. Good thing I'm not a terrorist, huh? If I was, you'd never know. Good thing there aren't any white terrorists out there.

Sweet dreams ...

Posted by LoveYourViaduct at 8/21/07 12:56 p.m.

Note to P-I: Good work. You're going to get beat up over this, but you made the right call.

And the rest of you who gotta know? Scoll past the Q13 eye candy and check it out:

q13.trb.com/news/kcpq-082007-ferryphotos
,0,4534536.story?coll=kcpq-news-1

There, feel safer now?

Posted by Bob Baldwin at 8/21/07 1:00 p.m.

LoveYourViaduct - Go ahead, let your blind rage fuel your biased comments. Looks like channels 4, 5 and 7 must be on the infotainment charge as well.

Oh yeah, and I liked how you ended your post so mysteriously with the stupid terrosist comments and the Sweet Dreams, that was cool!

Go ahead and ride a few ferry routes today and snap off random pictures of ferry operations. I guarentee you will not get ridicle, you will find yourself restrained by authorities regardless of what color you are.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 1:00 p.m.

I've heard how loony the NW swas through stories. Now I see those actually underestimated the lefty stupidy that runs rampant.

To LoveYourViaduct: if those two had been White, their faces would have been splattered all over the front cover. Btw, we Brown people dont need suicidal Whites to stand up for us in public forums. We can do it quite well without you.

Posted by Concerned_Citizen at 8/21/07 1:02 p.m.

Isn't the PI, by allowing links to the pictures essentially defeating it's own promise not to allow the pictures be published as part of their story?

Good think we have the internet (and a brain to allow us to think for ourselves).

Posted by WA5thGeneration at 8/21/07 1:05 p.m.

So... the PI stands on journalistic principles in not printing/publishing certain photos - or, in other cases, names. Yet, in the PIs blogs, people can reveal that information all they want - like this link: http://www.komotv.com/news/9270846.html and the PI will not remove the blog that violates that same policy. The PI wants it both ways - to pat itself on the back for journalistic rectitude, but to be a universal source of gossip if one cares to muck about in the blogs. Interesting.

I "reported a violation" on a previous story - in that case, the blogger had plagiarized an entire story from komotv including the content the PI would not publish. When I spoke to the PI, they said they wouldn't remove the content. It seems like complete hypocracy to me. Personally, I would have published the info if I were the PI and not try to act so superior.

Posted by karlds82 at 8/21/07 1:10 p.m.

I would like to register my support for the P-I's decision not to include the photographs in the story. If the FBI has a substantial reason to suspect these individuals, let them say so and the P-I might then re-evaluate the balance between the interest of privacy of individuals on the one hand and public safety on the other. For now, though, all the FBI appears to have is an "abundance of caution" - hardly worth the maligning of the character of two individuals.

I must disagree with those who suggest it would be 'resolved' at some later date; if it indeed turns out there is no story here, we'll not read a word about it and thus continue to harbor suspicions of the individuals depicted.

Finally, to the comment that if they had been white their pictures would have been splashed all over the front cover, I must disagree there as well. For you see, were they white, the FBI wouldn't consider them at all suspicious.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 1:22 p.m.

The only thing "problematic" here is your lack of intestinal fortitude. What with the likes of Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell voting against citizen protections from law suits filed against them because they reported something suspicious, it is not surprising that some people would choose to be cowards.

Posted by Blockhead at 8/21/07 1:41 p.m.

At first, the PI's decision bothered me. Then I remembered its current circulation numbers. So be it. Just another nail in its [il]liberal, [un]progressive, irrelevant coffin.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 1:42 p.m.

I have to agree with #47266 above. I can't see any harm in publishing the photos (I certainly wouldn't mind if it were me in the photos), and there's a modest chance for great harm in not publishing. It's not like the FBI reports situations like this every week, or every month, or even every year -- I think I've heard about only one other such incident.
My main concern about David McCumber's piece is how the first thing he discusses is perceived ethnicity. From reading the piece, as far as I can tell, ethnicity has nothing to do with it (suspicion was aroused by actions), so why is it so prominent in the piece?

Posted by wjs at 8/21/07 2:04 p.m.

I agree with the PI's stance. There's no place for knee jerk paranoia when civil liberties are concerned.

For example, what if these two men are ferry buffs? I mean there are train buffs who travel the country to take pictures of moving trains. Same with car and airplane buffs … should they be under FBI surveillance or have their hobbies deemed illegal because there's potential of a threat?

Trust should be part of who we are and not guilty before being proved innocent.

As with the fellow accused of the bombings at the Atlanta Olympics and having his life mostly ruined because of FBI accusations despite his innocence. The FBI isn't always correct.

I applaud how the PI addressed this issue.

Posted by TriplePac at 8/21/07 2:21 p.m.

Thank you for not running the photos. 1. If one did know these people, wouldn't they figure out that they would wind up on some list? ( I guess you don't care...) 2. Nice way to whip up public hysteria for some hands-off probable cause. 3. I pay enough taxes for the goverment's intelligence resources. If they have to rely on this, that's pretty sad. 4. What's 200 feet long & lumbers at 18 knots? A weapon of mass destruction?! Get real guys, this is security for the 90120 crowd. By the way, maybe they were reps from Emirates Airlines on a day tour about to cancel thier Boeing order ( so you can get layed off ).

Posted by CitizenWayne at 8/21/07 2:25 p.m.

I completely disagree with the PI's stance. What is wrong with identifying two individuals whose behavior disturbed both ferry workers and passengers alike, particularly in light of the attractiveness of the target is.

What is "knee jerk" about identifying those who exhibit suspicious behavior? Under the current circumstances it seems irresponsible and negligent to ignore such incidents.

The only alternative to taking potential threats seriously is to just wait for attacks to happen and pay the price in the deaths and sufferings of innocent people.

Posted by LoveYourViaduct at 8/21/07 2:30 p.m.

Well, I'm off to the ferry dock with my Nikon. I'll catch a boat out of Fauntleroy in a bit. Maybe it won't be so crowded now that this story is out.

Who knows, you may see my photo later on the Q ... but you won't see it in the P-I!

Smooth sailing, bye for now ...

Posted by LoveYourViaduct at 8/21/07 2:34 p.m.

+++ Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 1:00 p.m.

if those two had been White, their faces would have been splattered all over the front cover.

Phooey. If they'd been white, there would have been no photo.

we Brown people dont need suicidal Whites to stand up for us in public forums.

I'm not suicidal, but I AM a bigot? As you like. Reread the First Amendment in your spare time. I'll speak as I please under the soundoff guidelines.

Have a nice day.

Posted by hparks_3 at 8/21/07 2:45 p.m.

"Why we won't show their faces?"

Because you're cowards?

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 2:51 p.m.

WOW, the PI goes out of it's way to make Seattle less safe. Another reason to stay in Eastern Washington and not visit Seattle. Post the pictures!

Posted by Colonel Stinkmeaner at 8/21/07 2:57 p.m.

Let me interject something here if I may. I am of mixed heritage Black, White, & Native American Indian. I have discovered in my life that white people upon first glance think I am middle eastern. If I was on a ferry and perhaps lost trying to find a bathroom or whatnot, and some of my fellow "americans" thought I looked suspicious I would not want my picture in the damn newspaper. I have as much claim to this land as any other "American" maybe even moreso especially w/ my Native background. If my pic was put up in the paper I've no doubt I'd catch flak about it from my caucasian "brothers" and I'm sure there'd be no follow up story apologizing for the mistake. If this did happen I would hope that I would have grounds for a law suit against which newspaper put my picture out there with the insinuation that I'm a terrorist. That seems quite slanderous. I haven't even attempted to fly and visit relatives in other parts of this country, because I know how every white person on the plane will look at me. Now we have government officers in airports lookin for peoples facial expressions as a tip off to terrorist activity. Like If I'm in an airport and look frustrated or exasperated, I'm a damn suspect. My Grandfather, my uncles and countless other males in my family have served this country's military for generations, but i should have to have ignorant sheep lookin at me like i'm a damn terrorist. People need to mind their own business. Ignorance is so deadly.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 3:03 p.m.

It is understandable that a left wing editor would strugle with the choice.

Politicaly correct and dead. Or politicly incorrect and alive.

The lefties alway make the PC choise as long as it is someone the life of someone else.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 3:06 p.m.

Shame on you, Post-Intelligence. You continue to validate my decision some years ago never again to purchase a print copy of your leftist rag.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 3:17 p.m.

All you guys saying that the PI and Times are liberal - you confuse analysis, critical thinking, and thoughtful logic as liberal. How's about you fire up the brain and think for a change, rather than spit back out what the right wing talk shows tell ya? It's awfully hard to take back something once someones been wrongly accused. I want the WA Ferry System to be safe as well, but people need to calm down and be less judgemental. Otherwise, we get illegal wiretapping and even more of our liberties taken away.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 3:22 p.m.

It is the behavior of these two men that led to suspician, not their appearance. Over the last four weeks they had been witnesed on multiple ferries engaging in the same suspicious behavior.

As a regular ferry commuter I have seen men of similar apperance not acting suspiciously and not receiving unwarrented attention.

Let's hope your concern for the civil rights of these men doesn't lead to the loss of civil rights for thousands of innocent people who ride the ferries.

Posted by Concerned_Citizen at 8/21/07 3:30 p.m.

The PI is being hypocritical. The PI didn't have any moral issues with printing the names and publishing pictures of white Cops which it had passed judgement upon.
seattlepi.nwsource.com/specials/undueinf
luence/326764_toll08.html

Posted by TriplePac at 8/21/07 3:34 p.m.

I agree with karlds82. If Timothy McVeigh ( Oklahoma City Bombing ) escaped & showed up on the ferry with his little camera, NO ONE would bat an eye. By the way, what makes you think you guys that read Soldier of Fortune or Military Combat magazines think you're not on some list? How 'bout wearin' some Walmart instead of those camo's today now, huh?

Smile for the camera...

Posted by bobulagsen at 8/21/07 3:40 p.m.

Hey, where's Tim McVeigh right now?

Posted by H Moul at 8/21/07 3:51 p.m.

Don't worry, their pictures are available from real news sources online, so lame rags like the PI don't have to violate what little remains of whatever "journalistic ethics" they lied about ever having in the first place.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 3:52 p.m.

[img]http://media.komotv.com/images/070820_Ferry_Men.jpg[/img]

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 3:53 p.m.

media.komotv.com/images/070820_Ferry_Men
.jpg

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 4:05 p.m.

We all heard in the 9/11 report how it could have been prevented had we been on the look out and read the signs. And, it's not like the FBI has put out warnings that were false. If it was just a hunch, or it was just two middle eastern men don't you think they'd be putting out these notices every other day? Don't you think little old ladies and red neck hill billys call the fbi on every middle easterner they see? They get plenty of calls, look into them, and this is the first I've heard of where they are asking for help and seem concerned. So the lack of intelligencer blows them off. They are willing to possibly let hundreds of people die when a ferry sinks rather then insult two people who the fbi want to talk to. Thanks for looking out for us! Glad you learned a lesson from 9/11!

And by the way, this is my last vist to your site. You lost a customer. I'd encourage others that agree with me to do the same.

Posted by tuddo at 8/21/07 4:11 p.m.

When I saw the story on TV I thought they either had been reported missing or were wanted criminals. Post the pictures with law enforcement agencies and with ferry personnel and not with the general public. Private citizens do not need to be getting a possee together to lynch individuals without more information than the fact they were looking closely at ferries. I'm wondering how people got that close to get pictures of them and officials were not notified while they were still on the ferry doing their suspicious things so they could be questioned properly.

Posted by Tom Horne at 8/21/07 4:12 p.m.

Tough call? Only for someone so PC and anti administration that they cannot think logicaly. We are not talking about the possibility of preventing crime here, or abusing someone's right of privacy, though that may be a consequence. What we are talking about is preventing a possible act of mass murder, an act of war. In this case, to prevent even a small chance of mass murder you should have run the photographs as a matter of civic duty. In this case, the end, preventing the chance of mass murder, justifies the means, a possible invasion of privacy. The FBI and Bush Administration did not kill 2980 Americans on 9/11, Islamic terrorists from the middle east did. They continualy claim that they would like to do it again. We must pay attention to this threat. You have your head in the sand, or some dark hole.

Posted by ShannaS at 8/21/07 4:12 p.m.

I totally agree with your decision not to publish the photos. If the FBI is so interested in these two men, why don't they post an agent on the ferry and ask some questions of their own?

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 4:22 p.m.

I think that the P.I.'s decision not to print the photographs is outrageous! We have heard repeatedly over the years how vulnerable our ferry system is to terrorism. Now any would be terrorists must know for certain that they can engage in overt visible planning for a terrorist act in our community with little scrutiny, knowing that our two major newspapers won't even publish available pictures of suspicious acting characters.
I am canceling my subsription.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 4:27 p.m.

Ya people claim to see lots of things ...like UFOs and Christ..wait they are the same thing. Christ then, I see suspicious people around my neighborhood every week, they are called Mormons! Remember OKC was done by white Mormons not Muslims.

Posted by PowerMarc at 8/21/07 4:34 p.m.

Um, did anyone actually go up and talk to these guys while the ferry crew was so busy taking their pictures? You can learn a lot, good or bad, by just starting up a conversation. Just ask a cop.

Posted by xenon at 8/21/07 4:35 p.m.

Why shouldn't we all have the opportunity to assist with public safety? The two individuals in the photograph ("not shown") - if they have warranted suspicion for violation of our collective civil liberties, shouldn't there be further investigation?

Those of us who want to see the photos (and I have) will seek the photos out. The rotten part of this business is that there seem to be too many of us who are too willing to shout "Gitmo!" at the slightest sign of anything even vaguely Middle Eastern. Maybe some breathing exercises and realizing that, in this country at least, we still have rule of law?

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 4:43 p.m.

People who are pointing out what a "leftist rag" the P-I is and how leftist the editor is are missing the FACT that the conservatives at the Seattle Times didn't even print the freakin story. What does that make them?

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 4:44 p.m.

PI, you act high and mighty up on your platform but what happens when it's YOUR WIFE, YOUR CHILD or someone else you love on the ferry that gets blown up...then we'll see just how high that so-called morality gets. Most people in Seattle are sheep, you should lead them not nuzzle side by side...

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 4:45 p.m.

lets see. if anyone remembers back to august or july of 2001 komo tv reported that caution when flying as there was an alert out for possible hijackings of airplanes.

so i guess the pi is probably correct on not posting pictures.

perhaps the pi wishes to sell more papers when they can report a disaster instead of printing pictures

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 4:45 p.m.

More intelligent Liberal Democrats with their head in more than sand. Thanks for being so brave David. I feel much safer with your help and much more spiritual, with the help of that funny person retep. "We need to all love each other more and then the fear will start to disapate (sp) and (ro) we won't have to worry about this type of stuff. (slang) Cumbaia to you retep!
Ooh I feel so much better and safer.
Peace from Vancouver Andy.
Keep up the traitorous work P-I!

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 4:54 p.m.

The P-I has so jumped the shark anyway. You don't matter. The internet has all the news faster with more perspectives than you could possibly every do.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 4:55 p.m.

"Another reason to stay in Eastern Washington and not visit Seattle"

We appreciate it too, believe me. You can even secede if you really think you can make it on your own.

Buahahahahhaahhahahaha

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 5:11 p.m.

I just saw a jet fly over and I swear the pilot look Italian or French all French are now Muslim ? Anyway it looked suspicious so I called it in, funny thing the call to the FAA hot line went to India? WTF our security is now being out sourced to India.

Posted by phili52 at 8/21/07 5:18 p.m.

unregistered user -so you have figured out the system to hack the PI forum.

Congrats.

Now get a life.

Stop making excuses for terrorists.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 5:18 p.m.

I'd say post the photos.

You can't expect to be privy to all the details of an FBI investigation. Show the photos but qualify just like you did... that the FBI wants to find them and you don't know why.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 5:25 p.m.

Folks, let's all be honest; in today's society of cell phone cameras, traffic cams, and security cams; our pictures are taken everywhere and could be potentially used anywhere and anytime by law enforcement or private citizens posting there vacation picture on the web. Privacy is not an issue when you are in a public place nowdays; especially if you are behaving in an unusual or dangerous manner. This is not about race, color, creed, or sexual preference. The persons of interest here will see there photos being published; if they're bad, they'll disappear...never to be seen again and we are all safer. If not, they'll speak out and we all should apologize. I'd much rather say sorry than suffer the potential consequenses.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 5:45 p.m.

If the P.I. believes that they have made the right choice by not publishing the pictures, I say that they move the editorial department of the P.I. to one of the most popular ferry runs until this issue is cleared up.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 5:46 p.m.

It seems some people would be happy just rounding up every person of middle eastern descent and putting them in camps.
By agencies printing the photograph, they are feeding the lies of the Bush Administration. They are feeding the fears of people. It is interesting how the years following 9/11, whenever Bush is in doo-doo for one thing or another, they raise the color level of terrorism and start planting stories in the press that they are picking up "terrorist transmissions" and be on the look out. It is the current administration (and his fathers) that have created so much hatred against Americans and have caused us to reacted in fear everytime we see anyone who may look middle eastern.
I wonder if it had been a 10 year boy who was of middle eastern descent had been curious of the ferry if they had plastered his picture all over the news.

The countdown continues...The reign of George is coming to an end (not soon enough). Jail all the liars and theives. Time will show that you fools who voted and backed him, have all been dup'd. Wake up. Investigate,Take religion out of the fold and vote with your brains.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 5:48 p.m.

This is EXCACTLY why I will never again purchase a PI newspaper.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 5:55 p.m.

Are dark haired dogs dangerous, I think it had a camera on it collar.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 6:02 p.m.

Report all people who wear black in 90 degree weather and carry pocket chains. They are extremely dangerous and are known to rock back and forth while speaking in gibberish.

Some believe they are trying to throw the earth off of its axis with synchronized gibbering rocking.

Posted by hangmhigh at 8/21/07 6:12 p.m.

Oh... now you care about "civil liberties and privacy".... Didn't give a rip when you were slamming the police and let out that the blue bear was on cop's personal rides...... So much for privacy, as you could give a hoot that some heroes wife and kids were inside when some banger decides to do a drive by! Shame on you.....PC Chicken manure scaredy cats!

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 6:14 p.m.

Hey look to the north quick, theres a giant white cloud shaped like a penis, WHO YOU GONA CALL?

Posted by MinusTwenty at 8/21/07 6:29 p.m.

The P-I made the right call.

Posted by MinusTwenty at 8/21/07 6:41 p.m.

The FBI should be criticized for broadcasting a "have-you-seen-these-two-brown-guys" spot in the media.

How freaking hard is it for the FBI to put a couple people on the ferry routes in question over the next couple weeks, and to spot and talk to the two themselves? Especially with help from the Port of Seattle, which has its own cops, and the State, which has its own cops, and the counties involved, all of whom have their own cops, and all departments having intelligence operations?

The FBI is embarrassing itself when it operates by begging the public for help in situations they could handle intelligently and by co-operating with other agencies.

Posted by cat lover at 8/21/07 6:41 p.m.

Am I misrembering, or doesn't the P-I often print photos of people suspected of a crime? If so, I don't see how this is different really.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 6:48 p.m.

I'd like to point out to every moron who claims they will never purchase a copy of the PI again that the majority of the PI's income (and indeed the majority of the income for every piece of print media) comes from advertising, which you just supported by spending time on their site scribbling your semi-literate and poorly spelled rants.

The pictures shouldn't be published and every yahoo who says otherwise should pay attention the comments from people protesting the stories regarding the police. The violation of privacy stings when it affects you, but not if photos' subjects aren't a relative? Neither should have been printed. Shame on the PI for failing the police officers (and their families) named in the stories (there was no real news about which to rant?), but bravo for making the right decision on the photos.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

As for the rest of you, read a book and learn how to spell.

Posted by LoveYourViaduct at 8/21/07 7:03 p.m.

+++ Posted by Bob Baldwin at 8/21/07 1:00 p.m.

... blind rage ...

Huh? It's a beautiful day, and I'm in an excellent mood.

Looks like channels 4, 5 and 7 must be on the infotainment charge as well.

It's pretty much universal nowadays with tv news. If it bleeds, it leads, and nothing bleeds like a terrorism story - or possible terrorists in our midst. If it thinks, it stinks. TV news has been that way for years.

Go ahead and ride a few ferry routes today ...

Thanks, I did. I had a delightful ride on one route.

... snap off random pictures of ferry operations.

I had my camera along, but decided to not use it today - too much publicity. Last week, it would have been no problem. Just wondering, since this event happened last month, if the FBI hadn't made a public statement ... would you have been so paranoid anyway?

Four weeks pass, and now we finally hear about this event, or non-event. Why the delay to disseminate such a critical news item? Because once you remove your prejudice, there are no grounds.

Ferries can communicate easily with dock staff. Why didn't they in this case, if it was such a grave security threat? The men could have easily been detained when the ferry docked. Why weren't they?

And if they were terrorists, they're long gone now. Nobody else noticed their strange behavior and reported them, since law enforcement doesn't recognize them. Now there will be a flood of sightings, just like Elvis and any other missing person, and the vast majority of them will be bogus, if not all.

What about the terrorists you didn't see? You know, the lily-white caucasians. Why aren't you upset about that?

+++ Posted by Bob Baldwin at 8/21/07 12:16 p.m.

The funny thing is David, IT'S NOT YOUR CALL!

Nothing funny about it, and it IS his call. It's his newspaper. Don't like it? Buy another newpaper, or vent on another blog, or start your own newspaper.

'All the news that's fit to print.' This news wasn't fit to print, therefore it wasn't printed, and newspaper management is qualified to make that decision. This isn't a plan B pill. Newspapers aren't required to print anything but what they wish, and they inject their opinions, prejudices and perspective into news all the time. Sounds like you need to review the First Amendment too.

I'm still in a good mood. Have a nice day yourself.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 7:13 p.m.

Save yourself the anger and frustration and rely on multiple news sources, or do your own research. We are, after all, in the information age...

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2007/08/20/seattle-washington-fbi-searching-for-suspicious-ferry-passengers/

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 7:15 p.m.

This situation is similar to the Atlanta Olympics bombing when a security guard was identified as a person of interest. He was innocent, but his life was ruined. Law Enforcement is painfully aware of the risks of revealing Law Enforcement Sensitive information, and only does so when there is a credible risk. I vote to run the photos after the FBI agrees [in writing] to promptly and publicly absolve any mis-identified folks. Give a little, take a little.

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Posted by LoveYourViaduct at 8/21/07 7:16 p.m.

[Special Agent Robbie] Burroughs acknowledged that the FBI rarely publicizes information from an investigation, unless investigators are seeking a suspect wanted for a crime.

The decision was made "out of an abundance of caution" and "while keeping an open mind and realizing that what some people consider suspicious or unusual behavior actually might turn out to be something completely innocuous," she said.

An FBI Special Agent. You know, someone sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution? She's not freaked out, she's just hoping to find some information. More people watch tv news than read the newpaper anyway, or comment on blogs.

Why isn't the FBI insisting the P-I and Times post the photos? Because it doesn't matter. They are already readily accessible.

Posted by Splif at 8/21/07 7:17 p.m.

Yep, You're not just a lame @ss punk. Rather a paranoid lame @ss punk. I'll go watch FOX news now for "fair and balanced" news reports. Heck, FOX is to the bush administration what Al Jazeera is to Osama, et al.

Posted by LoveYourViaduct at 8/21/07 7:21 p.m.

+++ Posted by lordrishan at 8/21/07 11:40 a.m.

if they are innocent too, people can clear it up.

If I were those guys, I'd want to get a lot of gone between me and any potential American lynch mob, having those photos floating around and being virtually accused by many of being a terrorist. How likely are you to believe their explanation?

Posted by walts_spot at 8/21/07 7:35 p.m.

The Muslim community is outraged?? Too bad, go home. It might have something to do with 99% of the world violence being Muslim?? Hmmm...

Posted by LoveYourViaduct at 8/21/07 7:37 p.m.

+++ Posted by cat lover at 8/21/07 6:41 p.m.

Am I misrembering, or doesn't the P-I often print photos of people suspected of a crime?

Not sure about the P-I, but tv news routinely films the backs of suspects and their lawyers at arraignments. Those suspects are innocent until proven guilty.

This situation is similar to the Atlanta Olympics bombing when a security guard was identified as a person of interest. He was innocent, but his life was ruined.

Same rationale.

I vote to run the photos after the FBI agrees [in writing] to promptly and publicly absolve any mis-identified folks.

Well, look how much good absolution did Mr Jewell. Your opinion, but I wonder what Mr Jewell's opinion would be here?

For reference:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph

You will notice there is no photo of Mr Jewell on the wikipedia page, but there is a photo of Eric Randolph, the confessed terrorist.

Posted by LoveYourViaduct at 8/21/07 7:42 p.m.

+++ Posted by cat lover at 8/21/07 6:41 p.m.

Am I misrembering, or doesn't the P-I often print photos of people suspected of a crime?

Not sure about the P-I, but tv news routinely films the backs of suspects and their lawyers at arraignments. Those suspects are innocent until proven guilty.

This situation is similar to the Atlanta Olympics bombing when a security guard was identified as a person of interest. He was innocent, but his life was ruined.

Same rationale.

I vote to run the photos after the FBI agrees [in writing] to promptly and publicly absolve any mis-identified folks.

Well, look how much good absolution did Mr Jewell. Your opinion, but I wonder what Mr Jewell's opinion would be here?

For reference:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph

You will notice there is no photo of Mr Jewell on the wikipedia page, but there is a photo of Eric Randolph, the confessed terrorist.

Posted by Splif at 8/21/07 7:45 p.m.

LoveYourViaduct, point well made. I agree.

walts_spot, "Muslim community, go home"? What if they were born here, then where do they go? I suppose in your mind it's back to the middle east, where many, but not all Muslims come from. Then do a search on your roots to determine the country of origin of your ancestors and go back there. Remember what this great country is all about. Welcoming all, to build a great nation built upon adversity. And 99% of the world's violence being perpetrated by Muslims? What percentage of violence to they commit in this country, Mr. statistic man? How deep in your hind did you pull that random figure out of?

Posted by JM Anthony at 8/21/07 7:47 p.m.

Post the pix. This shouldn't have been a close call for either the PI or Times. And I'm about as liberal as you can get.

Posted by thebeavertailwhap at 8/21/07 8:03 p.m.

NO, but you will print the picture of that fat cow, with the pasties, smoking a joint in Sunday's paper....

I think we are to take your paper about as seriously as we are Hempfest....

And Rick Stevies does not bring a justification to that smoke out either.

What a moron you are...

Are you sure you are still not some college student, writing for the paper at UW, Oregon, or maybe Beserkley??

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 8:14 p.m.

Your 'news' story essentially tells us the FBI is looking for two brown men. That's it. The only purpose for running the story in this manner is to whip up racist fears among ferry riders. There was absolutely no useful information in the article. Some will call your decision political correctness. I call it tabloid at best, racist at worst. Instead of giving us the photos, which we could use (maybe even help exonerate the men), you have told us to be afraid of two brown men. Perhaps tomorrow on the ferry people will be a bit afraid of me, since I'm a brown man myself!

You should be ashamed, PI editors!

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 8:28 p.m.

It looks like one of them had a rocket in his pocket

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 8:30 p.m.

Mars aint the kind of place to raise a kid.

Posted by Splif at 8/21/07 8:33 p.m.

unregistered user, your last post conflicts with your previous posts. If you're a brown man, then I'm the freakin' pope. It all goes back to your comment "Obviously they are guilty--they aren't smiling. They should be Gitmo'd, no trial necessary." Given our nation's past and even recent history of civil rights abuses against people of color, why would you put yourself in their same shoes with a comment like that? Go take your med's whitey. By the way, I'm white. Really.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 8:41 p.m.

They look Israeli to me. "Art students" perhaps?

Posted by Splif at 8/21/07 8:44 p.m.

Yep, unregistered user, you're a bigot, disguised as a "brown man" as you put it. You get what you deserve, bro.

Posted by Splif at 8/21/07 8:46 p.m.

PS unregistered user, I love you in spite of it all. That's what it's all about, man. Love.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 8:48 p.m.

People who use the term "people of color" are RACIST.

Posted by Splif at 8/21/07 8:51 p.m.

Oh, and brown man isn't a racist term? Sorry if I've been excluded from your lingo because I'm white. I hear people of color on the streets refering to THEMSELVES in the "N' word context. No double standard there, huh, home boy?

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 9:01 p.m.

Hey Splif, if you would quit sucking on that "spliff" for a second, you might realize there is more than one commenter on here identified as "unregistered user" ... you might even realize that the "Gitmo" comment was sarcasm.... DUH!

Pot kills brain cells.

Posted by Splif at 8/21/07 9:05 p.m.

I haven't sucked on a reef in years. And when I did, I was a staunch conservative, believe it or not. It's time to go for my evening walk with my wife (who's black) and get her to stop laughing at your posts. Love you man. This blog is what makes this nation great.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 9:11 p.m.

Hey Splif, on your walk go hang out on 3rd and Pine with those awesome "people of color" and see how wonderfully they treat you!

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 9:11 p.m.

Beware the Mormons are watching with their special ESP powers stolen from the Scientologist. Why arent the Mormons on the terrorist watch list after the OKC bombing is the CLDS just an Israelie front. Teach your children well because they want to harvest them.

Posted by xenon at 8/21/07 11:25 p.m.

For anyone who *is* interested who hasn't seen the photos, here's a public service posting:

http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_082007WAB_suspicious_ferry_passengers_TP.53aaa2a3.html

(I'm sure it's available in a lot of other places; I just happened to see it here first.)

Posted by unregistered user at 8/21/07 11:57 p.m.

I fear we have made a grave mistake in our war on terror. We have put all of our most knowledgeable security professionals in charge of editing newspapers.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 1:05 a.m.

Hey Splif, didja know man, that like, anyone, you know, can like post anonymously, like without giving their name, or like... uh like anything at all, ya know man? So 'unregistered user' isn't like, like one person man, no man, 'unregistered user' is like the voice of everyman man. It's far out man.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 4:23 a.m.

Look, I think that you made the right call. After all who cares about public safety. Not me, I don't ride those ferries. I bet you don't either.
So screw em, and stick to your high moral ground.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 6:42 a.m.

If something happens, you can bet the rest of the media will run the pictures of the Seattle PI editors. And I'll happily provide the blogosphere with their home addresses and telephone numbers.

This isn't a tough call, its a bad call. The FBI has received several hundred reports of suspicious behavior, many have been documented by photos. Of all the reports, they have chosen this one to publish the photos of the suspicious individuals to seek more information. Yet the PI still feels it must do everything possible to help cover up the identities of the individuals.

I'd ask every staff member of the PI who is a parent if they'd do the same if the suspicious behavior was of a possible pedophile who had been hanging around their kid's school?

Shame on the PI and shame on every one who works there. You are a disgrace.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 6:45 a.m.

Want to know what the public no longer trust the Media to report the facts in an unbaised way? Just listen to yourself. You are a picture postcard example of what is wrong in the Media today and why the public is turning on you.

Posted by Judgmental b?stard at 8/22/07 6:56 a.m.

"FBI seeks help identifying 2 men seen aboard ferries
'Unusual behavior' cited, but no hint of terrorism"

NEWS FLASH: Post-Intelligencer Refuses to Assist FBI, bleats about "privacy" of potential terrorists.
Subhead: Small consolation to potential victims.

Call me wrong. Call me a Judgemental b?stard. (Wait, that's my nick...) But DON'T call me a victim of terrorism because some pantywaists got their knickers in a twist.

Tough call? Just Unsubscribe, or Unsubscribe and throw a brick through a window? The Civil Liberty implications are staggering.

Oh, is that (brick/window) a threat? How about photographing vulnerabilities of Seattle's ferry system? Business as usual?

My Brick comment is not terrorism, because my brother owns a glass company, and my sister owns a commercial security company. See? Just talk to me and you'll find out I'm no threat.

Glad the PI is smarter than the FBI! What a relief.

Hope my user photo is approved.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 7:04 a.m.

This is PC run amok. Too late to run the photos and too late to hide your stripes, Mr. McCumber.

Posted by sandiegoseahawkfan at 8/22/07 7:18 a.m.

Here are the pics
i40.photobucket.com/albums/e245/seahawks
rule/ferryterror.jpg
Here is the editor of the PI very stoned. Look how high this guy is...Hey Dave take a bong hit for me!
i40.photobucket.com/albums/e245/seahawks
rule/mcumberstoned.jpg

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 7:18 a.m.

Hey thanks for bringing this to my attention. If you hadn't made such a big deal about this I never would've heard about it on the radio. I never would've gone to the Seattle Times website and I never would've seen their photographs at all. I think you've done more to get people to see their photographs by refusing to publish them than if you had actually published them. Isn't that ironic?

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 7:45 a.m.

While the P-I tries to protect its readers from information, and protect two people who acted suspiciously on ferries, it also runs a freakin Haiku contest.

Are you bent on destroying yourselves? The Times didn't do you in, but you'll fail on your own with decisions like this one.

Newsbusters analysis of the issue

Posted by michaelsclass at 8/22/07 8:29 a.m.

What a joke of a newspaper.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 8:30 a.m.

David McCumber has his priorities mixed up. I am glad I do not live anywhere near Seattle.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 8:53 a.m.

and then you wonder why nobody buys newspapers anymore?

Posted by benseattle at 8/22/07 9:09 a.m.

The purpose of the 'media' is to simply report the news. When the FBI makes a well-thought-out request to simply IDENTFY (not arrest, prosecute or deport) persons who have ALREADY EXHIBITED SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR then it is the duty and responsiblity of all news media to report this request. And publish any relevant photographs. As a college-educated professional who is also a parent, I lean FAR more left than right, but it is actions such as this that led me to CANCEL my subscription to the PI and Times years ago. I will read headlines online, but if you expect me to PAY to be subjected to ridiculous 'judgements' such as this, you're sadly mistaken.

Posted by michaelsclass at 8/22/07 9:09 a.m.

Now, let me see if I understand the PI point of view:

Imagine...

Several men suspiciously enroll in flight school, but don't want to learn how to take-off or land planes. They only want to fly them. And, some men visit airports and seem to be testing security, trying to see what they can take onto a plane.

These men are seen on some airport cameras, and also have their photo taken as part of a class photo at flight school.

The FBI wants help in finding these men - and the PI would NOT print the photos.

So, do I have this right?

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 9:14 a.m.

Last time I checked this was still America where you are "Innocent until proven Guilty." They haven't done anything wrong. If we keep running stories like this it won't be long until we're all "Guilty until proven Innocent."

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 9:31 a.m.

P-I no more.

Komo 4 news does a nice job explaining why they photos were released:

http://www.komotv.com/news/9298741.html

Posted by Opal_Blue at 8/22/07 9:32 a.m.

Thank god the P.I. still has some journalistic integrity with the process and high regard for
some "hypothetical" behaviour that "some" regard as suspicious.

I'm shocked at how this becomes a Left/Right issue with the Neo-cons who jump at every chance to slander at an editorial decision.
I'm not going to live in paranoia and fear. The FBI has alot more effective means at finding them then a bunch of knee-jerk tips that so far have all been a dead end.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 9:35 a.m.

Thank you PI for making me feel like you really care about the local people that buy your paper. I am sick and disgusted by your liberal bias, report the news and leave the opinions on the editorial page. It is not your job to CENSOR the news. Funny how the liberals love freedom to smoke weed, burn the flag, and denounce Bush but when its something they do not agree with, they CENSOR!! This is disgusting!

Posted by Flash84 at 8/22/07 9:47 a.m.

Do a search for "Brandon Mayfield," and then you'll know why thoughtful newspeople hesitate to jump on something simply because the FBI tells them to. The press is here to keep a check on the government.

FBI admits fingerprint error, clearing Portland attorney
5/25/2004
A federal judge yesterday cleared Portland attorney Brandon Mayfield of ties to the Madrid train bombings after the FBI made the stunning admission that it erred when analyzing a copy of fingerprints.

Portland's FBI Special Agent in Charge, Robert Jordan, said the error, based on a "substandard" copy of the prints, will prompt the agency to review its guidelines for making identifications and ask an international panel of experts to analyze what went wrong.

He also apologized to Mayfield, a former Army officer and Muslim convert who was mistakenly arrested earlier this month as a material witness in the March 11 terrorist attack that killed 191 and wounded some 2,000.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 9:48 a.m.

A picture doesn't mean they are innocent or guilty, it means they are being sought for questioning and information. Interesting that many people are only concerned with the rights of the the criminals or potential criminals as opposed to the rights of the innocent. They bury their heads in the sand and when a terrorist does hit us again (and they will) they will blame Bush for not doing enough, even though they (in this case the PI) obstructed justice.
I could care less, I am a strong swimmer and sit by the doors, the water really isn't that cold as I am also a scuba diver in this area. But there are children, elderly, and handicaped people that would have trouble.
What is the use of a free press when it isn't really free, it belongs to one political identity that hates our country and wants us to lose the war on terror.

Posted by Fiebinator at 8/22/07 9:51 a.m.

Clear as day: The PI is not publishing names because 1) it maps its editorial content to its liberal readership; 2) its a business that needs to satisfy its paying customers. There should be no confusion or nefarious interpretation ... simply an abdication of responsibility in pursuit of profit. Although in the case of the PI the best they can hope for is the pursuit of smaller losses.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 9:58 a.m.

I am not suprised that you will not publish the photos...your "newspaper" has become a joke at best...you also did not print that the recent rape in Myrtle Park was done by an illegal alien who was arrested many times before the rape and never deported.....The 41 year old woman on a walk who was raped doesn't matter right ??? Maybe the illegals will buy your papers ??? If I am looking at the ferries as these two guys did please print my photo....your paper is a mere voice for a clueless liberal group of "reporters"....you are not reporting the news....just your agenda....very sad

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 10:02 a.m.

I guess the PI really doesn't care what happens to the people of Washington. Too bad.

Posted by usesomelogic at 8/22/07 10:10 a.m.

I read somewhere that the muslim community is upset about some media outlets showing the pictures of two men that "appear" to be muslim. My stance, the muslim community needs to focus there attention on educating their people to stop killing and terrorising. I will profile and so should everyone in our country until the fighting stops.

It frustrates me to no end that the muslim community is more focused on stopping profiling then it is on stopping their own people from killing others. Until the killing and terrorising stops you will be and should be profiled. For those who are innocent, sorry but your right to civil liberties does not outway our rights to live.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 10:41 a.m.

Another example of a "Bleeding Heart" liberal newspaper, bowing down to the far left, and not worrying about our "Citizens" public safety, in a time of danger, and peril.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 11:01 a.m.

"A man who does not think for himself does not think at all."

It's a tough decision. I just appreciate that the PI was conscientious.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 11:04 a.m.

It's a shame that you can't be more objective when reporting NEWS. Run the photo(s) before there is a problem with the ferrys. This isn't your grand-dad's world, anymore. People out and about in public, in plain sight, are going to be recorded. If their mugs are shown by a NEWS organization in the interest of helping law enforcement, what is the BFD. Stop being a sobbing sympathizer to everyone that hates this country. Also, there is nothing more disgusting than a chubby old liberal with a ponytail. It wasn't hot in 1977 and certainly not thirty years later.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 11:19 a.m.

run the pictures, your explanation is very hollow. you are hiding your bottom feeding political correctness.

Posted by slaggg at 8/22/07 11:53 a.m.

I say publish the photos. The story makes the context clear - they are people of interest not suspects.

You publish photos of people all the time - people at Seafair, people at other places, missing persons, and yes people being arrested.

It hardly seems a problem to publish photos of people as long as you explain the context, as you have.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 11:59 a.m.

LoveYourViaduct: An FBI Special Agent. You know, someone sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution?

Yeah, well so are the President and Congress. And yet now we have warrantless wiretapping.

She's not freaked out, she's just hoping to find some information.

Yeah, well so was the CIA, and we got secret arrests, torture, and extraordinary rendition. So was the Army, and we got Abu Ghraib.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

--
vsync

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 12:04 p.m.

The Seattle Times published the photo with an article today, August 22nd. Please, at least, update your editorial to reflect this, and perhaps consider explaining why you disagree with the Times in this regard. Thank you.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 12:06 p.m.

Can I see a show of hands?

If you ride the Ferry everyday and do not want the pictures of these suspicious individuals posted, raise your hand.

Just as I thought, no hands......wake up you freaking idiots. Put yourself in the shoes of the people who have to take the Ferry everyday to get to work.

If the editor had to ride one of these Ferries's to work everyday you'd see close-up photos, distant photos, hell he'd probably post a hotline number for tips.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 12:18 p.m.

Would you have run the photos if they were terrorists from Texas?

Funny thing about the world. Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes - and not just from the Middle East.

Posted by unregistered user at 8/22/07 12:34 p.m.

Wake up liberals!! before it's your family going down in flames with the ferry!