Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 5:48 p.m.

Wow big man Ron, it takes a big man and I think this shows alot of charactor on your part (and much more inteligence). Thank you for this follow up, I appreciate it and I'm sure others will too, and sorry for everybody just flyin off the handle at you. But I mean we already have enough Bill O'reilys you know?

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 5:55 p.m.

Much Respect Ron. Sadly, most of the movement will never see this page, i fear.

But, in the same light, its sad that your article (of the many, MANY attacks that have been authored by journalists) is likely the only one that has warranted a retraction or clarification after a bit of education.

Frankly, that puts you a cut above the rest as far as a political writer. Everyone makes mistakes (though im sure the excitable nature of the 911 community helped you notice) and its actually EXTREMELY refreshing to see that you have the maturity to own up, and learn about the topic, when prompted.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 6:22 p.m.

WAY TO GO RON! YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED MORE CHARACTER THAN ANY OF YOUR MEDIA PEERS! YOU ARE TRULY AMERICAN BY STEPPING BACK AND HEARING ALL SIDES OF THE ISSUE! KUDOS SIR!

Posted by Ron Schott at 9/11/07 6:29 p.m.

To all of you who have responded. I am deeply serious in my offer to work with you to get your word out. Please send me any and all materials you have detailing your work to gain full disclosure for those affected by 9/11. I am especially interested in information regarding victims of the toxic dust that was inhaled at Ground Zero.

Thank you all

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 6:44 p.m.

Ron - that really took something, I'm very impressed.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 7:08 p.m.

Ron you may want to check the group patriots question 911 as well.

In addition, there are several groups who are not nuts, do the research and you will see the concerns we have. As far as the ones who protest in the street, well, since the mainstram media refuses to ask the hard questions we have no alternative but to protest, educate and warn the people that we were not told the truth, there are too many unanswered questions!

Posted by Ron Schott at 9/11/07 7:11 p.m.

Thank you for the suggestion. Just so I'm clear, the group is called "Patriots Question 911" correct?

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 7:26 p.m.

The problem with most Americans is they believe whatever the machine spews out without ever doing any research to get at the truth. Alternative media such as DemocracyNow.org, The Nation.com or the internet in general provide more independent, non corporate elite\foundation funded information. You will never hear on big corporate\government backed media outlets anything other than the party line. Do you really think these outlets for information would allow contrarian dissenting views? I think not. You will see the token individual being interviewed\chewed up on neo conservative talk shows like Bill O'Rielly or Sean Hannity. Generally these guys never give the interviewee an opportunity to state their point of view without constant interruptions and ignorant comments.

Family members of the tragedy on September 11, 2001, deserve every opportunity to see the murderers brought to justice. What makes them any different than any other victim? Whether you choose to believe the information available on the internet concerning what really happened on September 11,2001, it is time we all woke up to what is happening to us as citizens in this country by our government and the corporations which run it.

Money talks and nothing else matters. Billions of dollars were made by many individuals on the backs of those killed due to this tragedy. This tragedy was not caused by foreigners, at least not the ones our government would have us believe. This was a well planned and executed event with precision and sophistication very few individuals would be able to pull off. Isn't it interesting that on the day of this modern Pearl Harbor, that our president is reading to school children in Florida. When was the last time you saw the media reporting on that type of presidential activity. And, as he was receiving the news from someone whispering in his ear, there is no expression of "Oh my god, what has just happened". Do you think he already knew it was coming? Do you think any caring humane individual would be able to contain their emotions after receiving this information? I think not. Just replay any video of the sites of the devastation and look at the people experiencing it first hand.

Bottom line

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!

Posted by Ron Schott at 9/11/07 7:35 p.m.

Whoever wrote that last comment (and I strongly suggest using your names, because I feel impersonal responding to you without using your names when you offer such insight) you are absolutely right.

It IS too bad that we live in a world where people just believe things. I'm not saying I believe one way or the other in the case of 9/11. I seriously do not know what happened and, at least for now, those who know every detail have not spoken up.

Now, after researching and learning I have experienced a paradigm shift. Not to believing everything I read on the internet (because that too can get you in trouble) but to a place of "can someone please tell me EVERYTHING that happened and make it make sense?"

That is where I am now and I have those of you who have suggested reading and material to thank.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 7:39 p.m.

Mr. Schott,
While your apology is admirable... I would point out that those you might see "ranting on the street" might not be the "nuts" you think they are. How will you ever know, if you simply prejudge them as being the "tin-foil-hat" crowd? There is absolutely nothing wrong with ranting in the street. The crimes which have gone on within our government since 1913 is enough to make any sane man rant in the streets. Frankly, if more people did that, maybe we would know the truth today. 9/11 is simply the latest chapter in a long history of fascism, which has infected our country. Don't believe me? Research it on your own. One question for you... do you know what they bundled sticks and axe are called that are mounted to the wall on either side of the Speaker of the House's chair in the US House of Representatives? They are called fasces. They are the historic symbols of fascism. America has been infected with fascism, and has been for 100+ years. There are many historical references to this fact, by many well-respected, knowledgable people... from military commanders to some of the leading minds throughout American history. In fact, Eisenhower's "Military Industrial Complex" speech was a warning to America about fascism within our government. Of course, being an ex-President, he could not call it directly, for what it is. Yet, if you watch the video, you will see the seriousness and fear in his face as he discusses it. In my opinion, not enough people are ranting in the streets.

Posted by Ron Schott at 9/11/07 7:51 p.m.

Again, I don't know who you are, but thank you. You are right and I certainly do not count anyone on the street as a nut. You have to admit though, there are a fair share of those in this world (not for the worse and not for the better, just not for me).

On the fasces note, isn't the whole original idea of the fasces meant to show the strength of many? Using individual rods held together by a common tie to create a singoe, powerful object supported by the strength of many?

Again, thank you for your insight.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 7:56 p.m.

Ron, You're actually like a lot of us. I started out thinking 9-11 truth was wacky, BUT then I researched. Now I'm one of the wacky-people myself.
Matt

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 9:27 p.m.

Thanks Ron,

It takes a lot of courage to admit that you were in the wrong.

Kudos to ya.

Kris
wearechangeseattle.org

Posted by Ron Schott at 9/11/07 10:08 p.m.

Kris,

I have to say, after reading wearechangeseattle.org for quite some time today, your organization is a stand-up group of people. I just wanted to let you know that.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 10:09 p.m.

Ron, when I see how you managed to turn around and see the light, it gives me hope for the rest of humanity.

Once you realize that the Neo-Cons have always been behind the worse atrocities that took place for the last 100 years, it all becomes clear as water.

The amount of material available on the net that clearly shows that the real conspiracy theory is that of the US Government is too big to resume in here.

I have been researching and following the truth about 9/11 for more than 4 years now. All I can say it: we are right, they are dead wrong.

But if you have a thing for science, check out physics911.net

Cheers.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 10:29 p.m.

Briefly Ron.

My name is Bob Brunner with We Are Change Seattle.org I was one of those out at Montlake this morning.

Some immediate links for you, you asked.
Here is an article that ran in the PI in regards to the Whitehouse editing the EPA reports
seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/136350_e
pa23.html
Feal Good Foundation
John Feal ( 1st responder, veteran)
www.fealgoodfoundation.com/
and also
www.neverabandon.com/

I would also encourage you to see the presentation by William Rodriguez, The last man out of the WTC. Mr. Rodriguez will be in Seattle November 7th.
www.wearechangeseattle.org/category/will
iam-rodriguez/
And, before this gets overwhelming this interview with John Schroeder FDNY engine company 10.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5381576
7687186956&q=john+schroder+fdny&total=5&
start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=
4

Posted by Ron Schott at 9/11/07 10:39 p.m.

Bob,

Thank you for those links. I will definitely be looking at them in the days to come.

Also, please accept my apologies for lumping your group in with others I have encountered who were neither as cordial, nor educated on the issue as you and your people are.

Again, thank you and have a great night.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/11/07 11:12 p.m.

Ron,

9/11 was indeed a conspiracy. Do a little more research instead of worshiping every word from the government's mouth and you will see how the collapses that day were controlled demolitions. The evidence is VAST but I doubt you have ever given it a serious look.

Also, are you insulting the witnesses and HEROS of 9/11 like William Rodriguez who worked in the trade center, witnessed a huge explosion in the BASEMENT of the trade center BEFORE the first planet hit (has other witnesses to back him up), and then proceeded to work with firefighters to save countless lives? Oh, yeah... He was a "victim" too because the whole building ended up falling down on him. Are you calling this victim of 9/11 disrespectful names? Are you calling him a liar? What about all the other victims of 9/11 that were trapped, hurt, or harmed who have came forward with first hand testimony of additional explosions?

Quite frankly, you have more research to do.

Posted by Ron Schott at 9/11/07 11:38 p.m.

Dear unregistered user #51319. If you had read my previous responses and indeed read my letter before posting this comment, you would see that I apologized for my gross generalization.

I am calling no one a liar. I am insulting no witnesses who believe whatever they believe (be it in line with your beliefs or in line with anyone else's beliefs).

I welcome the new information and resources that many associated with your movement have provided and, like anyone else, am looking at them and making informed decisions based on what I have seen.

Thank you for your insight and yes, I will do more research on both sides of the argument, because that is the way research should be done and should have been done previously.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 1:50 a.m.

Dear Ron,

I am unregistered user 51319.

Thank you for being willing to examine additional information.

I would advise you to listen to the testimony of William Rodriguez. He is a hero of 9/11 and witnessed an explosion in the basement level before the first plane hit.

You can listen to it at the following google video like.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4380137365762802294

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 2:33 a.m.

Ron,

Paul Joseph Watson here.

You've displayed more cohones than 99% of other mainstream journalists by correcting your mistake and I respect you for that. I will be writing a follow up blog highlighting that fact.

Maybe you would consider writing a brief article about "debunker turned truthseeker" - I think that would get a lot of attention.

Anyway, you are getting bombarded with a lot of information. Not of all it will necessarily be true, so it's best to weed out the unproven stuff and stick to the hardcore evidence.

Thanks again.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 2:43 a.m.

from England, i speak to people regularly about the unofficial version of 9/11, personally i knew on 9/11 who was responsible,and set about doing heaps of research about the whole event,sadly the ordinary man in the street does not want to hear it, the mind trick of the joint co rule UK/USA,( the word theory has to follow conspiracy!!!!)sad to say ignorance is bliss,we are talking here about the most evil men on the planet acting out the most evil schemes on behalf of thier puppeteers,most people cannot even begin to comprehend evil on that scale,(and your a crack pot for even thinking about stuff like that!!!) and the bush administration marches on,unchecked.It filters out to england where we are having the police state implemented on us,right infront of our very eyes, yet yet yet theres none so blind as those who wont see,vast majority of poeple cannot see it,because its such a progressive thing, that has gathered so much momentum since 9/11, its new on peoples hearing,and first reaction is usually !!!!!COME ON MAN !!! RUBBISH !!!! THEY WOULNDNT DO THAT!!!!so all the people who are activley doing and saying thier piece no matter how great or small to open this whole thing up, it will be fantastic to see the criminals brought to justice, im sure though they'll have some exemption clause written into the legislation,from england though all the media people in the position to bring all this to light should be doing so,its not about money, left or right,
RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS NO MANS RIGHT, sadly the mind trick of the UK/USA co rule has been suceeded in manipulating such hatred in the human race that instead of us all totally mistrusting them ( the misanthropes) we totally mistrust each other and at times wont even hear the reason of the other person,thier mind warp continues, jaq

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 2:55 a.m.

good that you retract the things you said, but with respect Ron, just to help you in your research, you need to look at the illuminati, the monopoly men, find out the root cause of these major world wide horrors, because this is not just a couple of treacherous individuals pulling off some major stunts on humanity,it is much much bigger and far more complex than that,but nothing that the ordinary human couldnt understand,

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 2:59 a.m.

1. Issued on June 1, 2001, only months before 9/11, this document revoked the default standing orders to shoot down errant or hijacked aircraft and instructed them instead to stand down until they were given orders by the President, Vice President or Secretary of Defense.
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

2. The official government story says that the hijackers turned off the transponders or changed their signal, thereby making them invisible/confusing to radar, air control, and NORAD. That is patently false. Minetta testifies under oath that the Pentagon attack was being monitored, and Cheney did nothing (ie, "the plane is 30 miles out, the plane is 20 miles out, 10"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

The fact is, NORAD protocol was subverted so that automatic defense systems required presidential, secretary of defense, or vp permission to intercept or shoot-down errant planes. Defense personnel tried to contact them, but they were no where to be found or difficult to contact. Finally, when the WTC were hit, we all saw someone come in and notify Bush, and what did he do? He sat there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsE8TEu7ojQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro3o-ld0CWw

Finally, Cheney admitted he took control. Cheney is was former director of the council on foreign relations. The CFR has stated numerous times that their intention has been to destroy USA's independent sovereignty.

If your mind some how boggles that 3 men could intentionally let 3000 Americans die, just ask yourself where the WMD in Iraq are and look for yourself how many Americans have died from Iraq. 3 men, 1 lie, almost 7000 Americans dead.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 5:09 a.m.

You are getting bombarded with alot of information now. I wont load you up with anymore. I am just leaving a note of incouragement. It is truly refreshing to see a member of the media re-think a statment and make amends.
By doing so, you have earned respect. You have gained credibility. Your honesty is what is right with America.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 5:16 a.m.

Mr. Schott,
Thank you for your apology. It was really big of you and speaks well of your character. I only wish the myth that 9/11 truth seekers are all ranting lunatics were not so pervasive. It makes it harder for people to hear us, and so some of us are compelled to what may seem like drastic and desperate displays to those who don't yet understand. But once you know something important and believe it, you MUST try to tell others. Getting the public's attention is not easy with the louder voice of media and government against you. That is one of perhaps many conspiracies --to keep people silent through fear of being perceived by others as "crazy" and to use media influence to make those who actually do question publicly and out loud seem "crazy" to everyone else. But we aren't crazy. We are frustrated and want answers. We don't want lies to direct the actions of our nation. I hope soon the 9/11 truth movement reaches the critical mass needed to overcome government propaganda. I think that day is finally coming.

By the way, when you are ready, welcome to the movement.

Laura Humphrey
{relatively} ;-) normal 41 year old mom & homemaker from Texas,
who has learned that there is no such thing as a stereotypical 9/11 Truth Seeker.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 5:50 a.m.

Big big step Ron. It takes a man to understand and realize his mistakes. I appreciate you doing this and i'm sure you have gained a lot of respect by your actions.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 5:52 a.m.

Ron, learn about building 7:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2073592843640256739

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 6:12 a.m.

You have gained my respect.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 6:24 a.m.

I offer you a very warm welcome to the multitudes of people who are waking up and ONLY seek to know the truth of what really happened on 9/11 and how it was allowed to happen. We only seek the truth that can answer what happened that does not contradict the laws of physics, a truth, for example, that answers the question of how and where thermate residue recovered from the scene was created. OR why was the largest crime scene in US history carted off and melted down, sold, or buried before any detailed forensic investigation could be properly conducted? This has meant that only small amounts of real physical evidence could be rescued from the scene and that evidence reveals the use of thermate.

We only seek truth and so far there has been much written by conspiracy theorists and the Government that fail to answer the fundamental questions. The questions that the mainstream media have thus far refused to even ask, or have suggested that only a kook-nut-ball would ask.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 6:34 a.m.

Ron,

Bravo! At least you sounded off like you got a pair!

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 6:36 a.m.

Hi Ron,

Don in Tennessee here.

In the days ahead, you will no doubt discover the impressive, collective intellect that makes up the "9/11 Truth Movement". You will find a remarkable number of scholars, engineers, physicists, and former high-ranking military and government officials populating our ranks.

When you uncover these facts, I hope you are outraged at the total blackout by the media – by the very community you represent – in an effort to hide the credibility these people bring to this issue. If these people were acknowledged, writing the Truth Movement off as cooks would certainly be much more difficult.

You might start with some research into why the former head of the Fire Sciences division at NIST is now one of us. Or, perhaps visit Scholars for 9/11 Truth and read some of their resumes'. (Sorry, no accent marks for me to use)

Lastly… You are very courageous to have done what you did. This battleground is littered with the bodies of people who have sought the truth. There is a very good reason why there is so much opposition to ANY investigation into the events of 9/11. (Do crooked cops launch investigations on themselves?)

You have just become part of the candle of truth burning in the vast, dark abyss of the 9/11 cover up.

Thank you.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 6:57 a.m.

It takes a real human being to admit that they are wrong about something, but considering the enormous amount of pressure and propaganda created to dissuade people from using their Common sense, it's hardly surprising.

FOX news and the US Government proclaim that all "Truthers" believe in the most way out theories like "Aliens did it", whereas this is far from the case.

Instead, the only thing that "Truthers" do agree on is that the Official Conspiracy Theory is not only full of holes, but the refusal to allow a true independent investigation, only permitting implicated parties to run the investigation, plus the refusal to show evidence for their claims ( Garage and Hotel videos at the Pentagon, for instance ) can only lead right thinking people to believe that yet again, a cover-up is taking place.

No real Truther will ask you to believe what they say, only point you to the evidence that something is more than a little fishy about the official story.

Rather than avoid the subject, I ask you to do your own research, and make your own deductions.

Jon.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 6:59 a.m.

Mr. Schott,

Instead of "sticking to the Seattle singles scene," why not research and report on something meaningful, like 9/11 Truth? It goes way above and beyond politics.

Internationally, it's already obvious to so many people that 9/11 was an inside job. Only Americans don't seem to be able to grasp it.

Z
Japan

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:00 a.m.

Respect to you Ron...I like your honesty and the way you retracted your statement too. They say that the truth always comes out in the end and 9/11 Truthers, unlike the official 9/11 Commission and the U.S Administration have nothing to hide over 9/11 at all, but to dig deeper until all the facts are revealed. For the sake of everyone who perished and for those innocent civilians who are still perishing in Iraq & Afghanistan, this truth movement marches on until this whole damn mess is revealed and the guilty parties brought before crimes against humanity.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:02 a.m.

I really hope you do the research on this Ron. Another blogger wont hurt at all. Maybe you will jump in to the research with the same intensity you told everyone to flip us off!

God bless,
Seth

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:04 a.m.

I dont know if the link appears on the forum here, yet. But a very helpful and eye-opening website is:

www.ae911truth.org

Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth. Be sure to check out not just their information, but their growing list of professionals that are petitioning the government for a new independent investigation of 9-11. Also be sure to join them.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:05 a.m.

Hi Ron,

You are a great man and a true patriot for your desire to search for the truth. Your apology shows your humbleness and great character.

"When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest." – Author Unknown

Check out my flyer and 9/11 Facts document here:
http://9-11.meetup.com/347/files/

My paper is the "9-11 Inside Job Evidence: All Facts; No Theories" and "9-11 Inside Job Flyer".

God bless you my friend. Peace out!
ArmyOfTruth

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:10 a.m.

While I'm happy to see that you've come around, Ron... I must say that this is a perfect example of the current problem in this country with respect to 9/11. Most people have the exact same initial reaction that you had, but most of them are too arrogant or ignorant to look at the facts.

As someone with a degree in journalism and 10 years of experience working under the umbrella of CNN and Time Warner, I must say that I am absolutely ashamed of the state of the profession in America today.

The president of CNN News recently told employees at a company meeting that (and this is a direct quote) "Good journalism is good business." Most of these people nodded and applauded. It's about the money, baby!

I have read diatribe after diatribe about 9/11 Truth written by "journalists" employed by mainstream media organizations... and they all have a couple things in common:

1) Astounding arrogance
2) Shocking ignorance with respect to the facts

None of them know about "Patriots Question 9/11" or have read the works of David Ray Griffin. None of them have taken the time necessary to weed through the garbage and find the cold hard facts. With just a few hours of research, you can easily cast aside the nuts and discover the academics, scientists and professionals with no previous record or history of lunacy who see through the absurd 9/11 fairy tale perpetuated by this corrupt government.

Instead, the mere fact that they disagree with the accepted story defines them as insane in the mind of these "journalists," causing them to avoid doing their jobs, and instead launch ignorant, emotional diatribes.

Kudos to you for waking up. Shame on the rest of our profession for choosing to live in a dream world.

Sean
Atlanta, GA

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:20 a.m.

Ron - You da man! Check out my 9-11 Truth page in York, PA.

www.876fire.com

Marcus

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:24 a.m.

Aussie here and I can still remember watching those terrible scenes live on tv all the while thinking to myself "What has the American government done to it's own people".

I also think that most security forces within other countries know for a fact that 9/11 was an inside job.

Maybe there is something dark, creeping and sinister that they also know about that is keeping them quiet.

I can only hope the neocons are put away asap as they are ruining our great country with their interference in our political system over here.

Voting for Ron Paul would be a good start.
Wundur from Downunder

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:27 a.m.

Ron,

Issues relevant to singles? Sounds hopelessly boring. You've been missing out on all the wickedness your tribe has been perpetrating on our country and the world at large.

The fact of the matter is that your tribe owns and operates all segments of our media. That is the secret to how they were able to cover up their crime.

I understand if you can't investigate or write about this. You will be immediately ostracized if you do. But don't call us kooks or whackos or nuts, because we now outnumber you. That makes YOU the whacko.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:29 a.m.

Ron,
Secrecy breeds suspicion. Ask yourself why the government has refused to release so much information. Ask why the crime scene was tampered with and there was never a criminal investigation. Ask why Deuchebank still stands, but building 7 fell. You'll see why the administration must dub some people crazy; it's because without legal proceeding there can be no prosecution.
Some have researched and decided, some have even used speculation to hang our government, but personally some of us would like to see a real, independent criminal investigation; not some farce where our officials don't swear in and testify in private; not some kangaroo court that throws out any info that doesn't jibe with the 'official' story.
Congratulations on your new insight and good luck on your information journey.....don't let the 'out there' ones be confused with the ones that warrant reasonable answers.
Sherry

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:32 a.m.

Ron,

After my rather scathing comment about you acting like a 'silly, shoddy journalist' last night, I'm quite amazed to see that not only did our rantings seem to have an affect on you, but that you have made an apology demands our respect. Indeed, I'm quite amazed that your turnaround happened so quickly!

I think everyone that has joined our ranks began their 9/11 investigations with lots of skepticism, thinking that 'conspiracy theories' are always distasteful and distracting. But quickly, when confronted by the compelling evidence that the government version of events is baseless, we overcome the cognitive dissonance and are liberated because of it. It's just a shame that we cannot seem to question our governments thesedays without being labelled 'crazy'. The term 'conspiracy theorist' has become so loaded that I don't even like to use the term when discussing 9/11 Truth issues.

Ron, like Mr Watson said, you will quickly realise that in this territory there is a great deal of information to take in - some of it credible and some of it fantasised.

Your 9/11 Truth journey will be a long and arduous one before you come to a good understanding of what can verify as independent truthseekers. However, with a starting point of 'the government version is a total lie', it won't take long before the main argument settle in.

Since people are recommending internet based information, I will recommend a great book that I have found crucial to a good understanding of 9/11 and geopolitics and history in general. I recommend to you Webster Tarpley's 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA.

I will make no apologies for my scathing comments left yesterday - you were at fault and, collectively, I'd like to think the many comments left under your blog had a positive effect in the end. In fact, I know they did.

You have my utmost respect for correcting yourself and, more importantly, for putting truth and justice first and not doing what so many people do with 9/11 information and brushing it aside because of the monumental implications the false flag theory raises.

All the best,

Walshy

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:37 a.m.

the 9/11 section in www.cooperativeresearch.org is a good site to look at.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:38 a.m.

Ron,

Respect to you, you are a stand-up guy.

A good source of information for researching the inconsistencies in the official 9/11 report, is the following documentary:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

You can ignore the first one-third of the movie (the first one-third is not relevant to 9/11). Just start watching from 35:54 onwards.

It is important that you watch all the way to the end of the movie, to get the big picture of what's really going on.

The movie also lists their sources and references on their website, so you can verify with your own research.

I agree with the previous user above, I believe Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate who can lead us out of the mess our nation is in now.

Brett

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:40 a.m.

If you are truly dedicated to researching our cause, you could start with the movie www.loosechange911.com. It is a free movie. After you watch it, I am sure you will not be so quick to judge any of us, no matter which group we belong to. The facts presented are based on science.

elenimaria@mac.com

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:50 a.m.

We Are Change is just as nutty as any other truth group. It is not about finding the truth, it is about slandering our country through the use of rumors, inuendos, and the selective use of evidence. Don't let them fool you into thinking that the core of their movement is about investigation. They have already made up their minds, now they are just desperately trying to find facts to back up their assertions.

James
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:51 a.m.

You are indeed, a very special columnist. I reiterate what someone above said. Start here: www.cooperativeresearch.org - John Omniadeo

Posted by Buradorii at 9/12/07 7:54 a.m.

Ron,

You are a credible journalist...something very rare and extremely valuable at this point in history.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 7:59 a.m.

Bravo bravo and thank you !

Posted by bellyoffire at 9/12/07 8:11 a.m.

Ron,

I use to be in a similar situation. I thought all this 911 stuff was a bunch of crap. When I decided to really look at what people were presenting, it really makes one go hmmmm.... There are just lots of questions. To many questions. No one wants to answer them and they (like Bush) beat on people that ask questions.

I decided to put together a website of things that I find in current events. http://www.smokescreendesign.com It is fairly new and I add stuff as I get to it. Other people can add things to certain parts of it like articles.

I do have a documentary on it by Dave Von Kleist. I suggest watching it and watching the alex jones interview with Steven Jones on video.google.com

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:11 a.m.

Ron,

I missed the dust up, but wanted to thank you for just looking into 9/11 with a fresh look.

When you think of the implications of the false flag attack and the attack on the Constitution, really can you blame people for protesting? Truly, if someone is seeking that truth, then it is their civic duty to try and get the word out. A twist on one man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter. One man's nut in the street, is another man's patriot.

Anyway, prepare yourself for a bumpy ride as you discover more information. It is a truly stomach turning and heart wrenching journey going through the evidence and various theories. Good luck on your path. No matter where it finally leads you, I commend you for taking the first step.

Carrie

Posted by bellyoffire at 9/12/07 8:13 a.m.

Im TJ, sorry, I thought it would show up. My name only shows up in the profile.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:14 a.m.

Good 4 you, it takes a big to apologise in these "fear of being un"patriotic" times
Bob

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:14 a.m.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

That is one of the most enlightening sites, to see hundreds of credible people question 9/11 on real merits (not all the elaborate conspiracy theories).

Please check out http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:28 a.m.

Good Man...
http://www.911review.com/
http://911research.wtc7.net/
http://www.journalof911studies.com/

Here's a page of links at Global Outlook:

http://www.globaloutlook.ca/recommended_links.htm

Godspeed

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:31 a.m.

Ron

Respect buddy.

Would you like the tinfoil beanie with prop? or without?

Thanks for your open mind, and your bravery.

Welcome to reality.

And you KNOW what they say about reality...

cheers Ron
and thanks...

NeonUris

Posted by Bill Douglas at 9/12/07 8:35 a.m.

God bless you Mr. Schott,

You are a TRUE JOURNALIST in the realms of Edward R. Murrow. If we had 5% of our nation's journalists with your integrity, this would be a country so excellent we wouldn't recognize it.

Now, suggestions for information. Have you visited "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth"? Their site is ae911truth.org

As mentioned above PatriotsQuestion911.org is an important site as well.

I personally began working on 9/11 truth when I met 9/11 widow Ellen Mariani during her struggle for truth, and through that eventually met FBI translator, Sibel Edmonds, who had a gag order placed on her by the Justice Dept. She's said if she could tell what she knows people in this administration would be in prison right now.

My family was a military family, and I am a patriot. Right now, the most patriotic thing any American can do is demand a new, real, truly independent, 9/11 investigation. The future of our democracy depends on it.

Please interview:
David Ray Griffin (author)
Prof. Steven Jones (Physics)
Kevin Ryan (formerly of Underwriter Laboratories, who fired him for blowing the whistle on the innaccuracies of their report to NIST)
Richard Gage (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth)
Dr. Robert Bowman (Rtd. Lt. Colonel of the US Air Force)
Sibel Edmonds (former FBI translator and whistleblower)

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:41 a.m.

that was a very respectable thing you have done. more and more people every day are realizing that there is a serious problem going on in our country today. what really baffles me is when slime balls like geraldo and bill oreilly have the audacity to claim that we are anti- America for demanding the truth, when in fact it clearly states in our declaration of independence that we have all the right to question our government. "governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of the government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it". would that not make people like geraldo and oreilly anti America for insinuating that we do not have these rights? chris25143@gmail.com

Posted by Bill Douglas at 9/12/07 8:42 a.m.

Also, Mr. Schott,

This documentary, which can be viewed free online, will provide you with a profoundly powerful insight into how deep the lies go about 9/11. It was made by a conservative Republican, who set about to prove that 9/11 truth'ers were WRONG. Once he began investigating he realized that the official 9/11 story was a lie. This is the best documentary to date on 9/11, view it at the below link. Be sure to paste both lines in your browser window.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2482741646574210449

Warm regards,

Bill Douglas, Founder of 911Visibility.org
Former National Outreach Director of 911Truth.org

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:43 a.m.

Uhh guys, I know all of you people coming over here from prisonplanet.com have the reading comprehension abilities of a 5 year old, but Mr. Schott is not, nor does he claim to be a journalist. In fact his profile says he works for a PR firm. This is a reader's blog posted on the Seattle PI website, not a blog for their journalists.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:50 a.m.

You have my respect sir!
I would advise you to look at both sides of this issue as you if you were on a jury. Decide based on all the facts. I would suggest starting with a look at "The Project for a New American Century".

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:55 a.m.

Ron, You Stated: "From this point forward I will continue to write about issues relevant to Seattle singles and will leave politics alone".
But please do post information about 9-11 truthers as it is not political it is American,it is about every American and everyone in the world being affected by this cover up, When I talk about it and people say stop talking politics, I say to them it is not politics, it is not republican/democrat it is your life, it is your future, it is the well being and your children's future. That is the problem with this country everyone treats it as a football game and that is why we have this tug of war, this yelling match, this angry society, If we all pull together and call ourselves Americans, than we would become "UNITED" there is a song I remember when I use to live in England called "United we stand divided we fall" and we have fallen into what seems the bottomless pit and need some rope thrown down to us so we can get out. Thats about it for now, please excuse the grammar as I to whent to an American school and learned not to much as the corporations want us to be "Ignorant Americans" as we all are and look to be to the rest of the World out side the glass bubble,I say we are all Truman's, if you have seen the Truman show , you know what i am talking about , I have lived in a few countries and did not really know about America until I lived outside this bubble. anyways, I jeopardize my business by the information I have posted on my website and you know it seemed to help business not hurt it sales went up and I get thank you's for waking up people . So thank you for the apologies and we all really need to rally and shout the truth or suffer the consequences I am so tired at what has happened to this great country it is dying , I have lived in England and that country is completely destroyed , the foreigners have totally taking over England and the people are more miserable than the American people have become and we will end up like England unless we save this country. my web site is www.1800crawfish.com Duane Parker "AMERICAN"

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:57 a.m.

Ron, I'm impressed. Someone mentioned that sadly most truthers wouldn't see this, but I disagree. I came here to check it out after reading a bulletin that was passed along, and I'm in Seattle too, so it caught my eye.

I suspect that you will be getting less sleep now. Researching this stuff is not something where you can skim over and log out and go to bed. It starts out with one link, one bit of information, and that leads to another and another and soon enough it's 2 am and you just can't put it down. It's never wasted time however. The problem is that it's not just the issue of 9/11. That's only a piece of the puzzle. I like videos and I don't think anyone mentioned any yet so I'll give you my list. Sometimes they're easier to process in the wee hours ;) although there is tons of info in these.

Loose Change (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change+recut) - Probably the definitive movie on the questions of 9/11. There has been a Second Edition and now the Final Cut is due out any time now.

Who Killed John O'Neill (http://wkjo.com/) - John O'Neill was the FBI expert on Osama Bin Laden. He left the bureau and got a job at the WTO as head of security. His first day on the job was Sept. 10, 2001. This film ties together the "hijackers", the CIA, drug-runners, and on and on and on. He shows govt. documents to back it up. The style's a little different but it shows what the guy went through (thinking he was nuts for thinking the obvious from the evidence) while he did the research.

America: Freedom to Fascism (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173) - Aaron Russo (RIP) digs into the Federal Reserve (it's not a govt. entity as it might seem by the "Federal" name) and the IRS, even interviewing IRS agents who can't produce one single documentation of a law that states we have to pay income tax.

This video by John Perkins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oARBdBtGenM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAqG51uwzMI, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l22O33KyWa4) who wrote the book Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Wow, he talks about stuff we pretty much know goes on but he tells exactly how it goes, because he used to be a govt. economic hitman. It's frightening how we (the US) systematically and ruthlessly create and destroy other countries' economics.

Discover magazine has a big article (in the print mag and online http://discovermagazine.com/blogs/discoblog/archive/2007/09/10/the-far-reaching-health-effects-of-9-11-air-pollution) about the 380,000+ people that went back to work inhaling all the toxic air and cleaning up asbestos and god knows what else with the officially recommended wet rag.

Sorry if this was too long, but I, like most truthers, am passionate about what is being done to us. I think it's now time to organize and get things done on a grand scale with all the different organizations and groups, instead of each one or a handful acting together. I'm setting up a website and a forum where we can plan. email me if you're interested. info@ (no space) standfordemocracy (no space) .org

Again, thank you for not only doing the research, but publically apologizing AND offering to help!

~Julie

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 8:59 a.m.

Mr. Schott,

I feel your pain on this subject. I was fired from my job in TV Production for asking Carson Kressley if he would support a new investigation into 9/11. I did not accuse any one person or agency, I simply asked a question and the powers to be at the location I was at decided to have me removed from the property. My views at the work place have been known for some time, yet this did not seem to matter to them. I was then fired by the company that was hired to work at the location because of this action on their part, so I am told.

It takes allot to go against the powers to be, to help in the search for the truth and I incurage you to follow stay on this path. I do not care what others think happened, it is the fact that we lost thousands of lives that day, and we haven't had one serious investigation!
God speed with your research adn God bless you!

Please look at the following groups.
The Fealgood Foundation
http://www.fealgoodfoundation.com/

We Are Change
Http://www.wearechange.org

These groups have peopled many 1st responders, and they will continue to help many more.

God Speed,
Brian Roberts

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:05 a.m.

I would like to commend this site on having an anonymous post system. Many sites have no comment section at all(FOX!!!!) in which the reader only hears one side of a topic with no room for debate.
I bid you good and objective research and may your conclusions at the very least give you thought. I will say that you will discover many more things about how the world works on your path. One of the most compelling is The Federal Reserve...Good luck and have a very good day.
Michael from Tucson

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:08 a.m.

Mark from London sez:

The big trouble people have with 911 is caused by the fact that the global media was used to get the lies out right from the beginning.

There was never any proper analysis or opinion forming process. Within hours they had the story of Osama bin Laden, the 19 hijackers, why the buildings had collapsed (everything that the 911 commission reported years later in fact), out there in the living rooms of the world, while people were still in shock, and with their rational minds defenseless.

Witness this amazing piece of footage from the BBC regarding the collapse of WTC7 26 minutes before it happened. Complete with explanation of why WTC7 collapsed. This was totally pre-scripted, it just got out a bit early. How can this be?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

In the interests of fairness and balance, the BBC did respond to the accusation of foreknowledge, but I think anyone that reads their arguments will see it is a nonsense.

Check out the comments that followed for some serious questions that have never received a single answer. This is a real embarrassment to the BBC and they would love to see this one disappear down the memory hole.

www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/p
art_of_the_conspiracy.html

Keep posting friends, time is running out.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:16 a.m.

RON - ONCE YOU HAVE REALIZED THAT 911 IS A LIE, START INVETIGATING MORE MODERN PROBLEMS SUCH AS THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION, NAFTA SUPER HIGHWAY, LABOR CAMPS, EXECUTIVE ORDERS BY BUSH, SO ON AND SO FORTH. THANKS FOR OPENING YOUR EYES AND AT LEAST LOOKING IN TO 911, AND HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU AGAIN. SINCERELY KIT

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:18 a.m.

I'm sorry you were so easily intimidated, Ron. The conspiracy theorists have an outsized internet presence but among the general population, only 5% of the public believe the government perpetrated the attacks.

The so-called "truth" movement doesn't have any real evidence, the movement is ideological, not factual. They believe 9/11 was an "inside job" because they want to believe it, not because evidence backs up their claims. You can find responses to pretty much all the assertions from the conspiracy theorists at this website.

http://www.debunking911.com/

Finally, the movement is really an intellectual copout. This nation has serious problems with the "war on terror". The Iraq war was unnecessary and is unwinnable. Efforts toward ending that disaster and using better methods to defend this country are complicated and involve trade offs. The truth movement simply avoids all those issues and says "America killed its own on 9/11, the only terrorists are in the White House." It is dishonest, juvenile and driven by hatred of the country, nothing more.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:19 a.m.

Talk about stepping into snake pit. More like a wildfire! he he

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:23 a.m.

Get your facts rite, the figures are 45% if not higher."neocon" trader, un patriotic American.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:29 a.m.

sry, i know your busy with all this, but i had to just drop a quick note to let you know that you have gained my complete respect today. Thank you for your integrity.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:33 a.m.

Ron, your turnaround and determination to find out more about 911 truth is heroic. Thank you for your sincerity, intelligence, and open mind - very rare qualities today.

The above post 51282 mentions notes the beginning of US fascism in 1913. That was when the Federal Reserve Bank was established. Almost everyone thinks this is the central government bank but it's not -- it's privately owned. This is how they have enslaved us. Those who control the money control the world.

Also you might want to research the "Amero", the currency of the new North American Union (Mexico, US, Canada) which has been in production at the Denver Mint.

Thank you for your patriotism!

Laura in Boston

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:36 a.m.

Ron, I would like to say that it is very brave what you did. The media needs more people like you. Respect!

Posted by Ron Schott at 9/12/07 9:39 a.m.

All,

I thank you for your insight and continued stream of information regarding the 9/11 attacks.

I wish to address something that has come up and something that I also mentioned in my apology letter: I am not employed by the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. I am a freelance writer who has a hosted blog on the Seattle Post-Intelligencer Website and our connection stops there.

For those that are saying I am not a "true" journalist, that is your opinion. I have worked in journalism since the age of 17 and have written, co-written and edited stories ranging from sports to the topic of racism in American high schools. My blogging career has touched on politics, single life, sports and a number of other topics.

Now, I am devoting my free time to digesting the information I have received from the people posting on this blog. I will not promise to follow blindly any information I have received, but will work to understand the facts as they are presented and proved.

Thank you again for your time, consideration and words of encouragement.

Take care,

Ron L. Schott

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:42 a.m.

"Get your facts rite, the figures are 45% if not higher."neocon" trader, un patriotic American."

Actually the support for the "9/11 inside job" view is 4.6%, according to a poll commissioned by a "truth" group themselves.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/09/so-much-for-84.html

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:43 a.m.

"Get your facts rite [sic], the figures are 45% if not higher."neocon" trader [sic], un patriotic American."

Ron, take note of the tactics from poster #51438. One can't disagree with the conspiracy theories without being branded a "neocon" even though not one Democratic member of Congress endorses these conspiracy theories either. I do find it interesting that accusing one's country of killing 3,000 of its own people on no credible evidence is now considered "patriotic."

As to the poll, the numbers were available here

http://www.911truth.org/images/ZogbyPoll2007.pdf

although they seem to be unavailable now.

This was their own poll (paid for by the so-called "truth movement" with their wording) and 5% of the respondents said they believe the government perpetrated the attacks. Some 25-30% believed the government allowed the attacks to happen. However, the so-called evidence presented by the "truthers" supposedly proves the former.

Posted by ref at 9/12/07 9:44 a.m.

Ron,

Be very critical of those "truth" links these people post. Patriotsquestion911 moderator Alan Miller quotes people who DIED on 9/11. He has included people like Frank A. DeMartini, who was WTC construction manager and thought the towers would stand. He died on 9/11, while helping people out of the towers he helped construct. Now, how can he question 9/11? They list Edna Cintron, who was photographed standing on the impact hole of one of the towers. She died in the collapse. How can she question 9/11, why is she ever listed?

This shows the quality of that site. Alan Miller also takes quotes out of context, and lists people who would never want to be on that list, they just don't even know they are on that kind of list. Others really want to be on that list, those that claim the US government deliberately murdered it's own citizens. But take a closer look at those credentials. Most of them do not appear such professionals after a closer look.

And never ever apologize to Paul Joseph Watson. Paul Joseph Watson is a writer and webmaster at prisonplanet.com and infowars.com He has written on following subjects:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/100907_wtc_bombed.htm
Where he quotes a Fire Chief who died on the WTC collapse, who initially thought bombs were in the buildings, trying to prove his demolition lunacy.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/160407blackop.htm
Where he speculates that the Virginia Tech shootings were a government black-op.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2007/100407beesdying.htm
Which is a good summary of many of his claims. He claims global warming is a hoax, government is spraying chemtrails out of airplanes, and the global elite is trying to reduce the population of the entire earth by 80%. He believes there is a New World Order that rules the entire world, tries to surpress people and orchetrates FEMA death camps. I'm not lying.

He works for a man called Alex Jones, who says AIDS is man-made in our laboratories to reduce population, vaccinations are polluted intentionally, all terrorists are patsies, and JFK, Oklahoma, Pearl Harbor, London Bombings were all government secret operations. Paul probably believes all this himself.

So never, ever apologize to him.

Posted by ChicagoJustice at 9/12/07 9:51 a.m.

Many very credible credentialed people are speaking out for 9/11 Truth

University of Massachusetts Professor Lynn Margulis, AB, MS, PhD says 9/11 was False Flag Operation
(First Wife of Carl Sagan and National Science Award Winner)

Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

Former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member Calls for New Investigation of 9/11

U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11

Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11

And a great interview you can listen to:
Wednesday, September 5th, 2007
9/11 Blueprint: The Architecture of Destruction
Interview with Bay Area architect Richard Gage, AIA, about the organization he has formed, "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth". Outreach to architects and engineers; presentations to the public and to professionals; the physical evidence of controlled demolition of the World Trade Center twin towers and building seven. Richard Gage, AIA, will give the keynote address on September 11, 2007 at 7:00pm at the Grand Lake Theatre in Oakland. Visit his website at ae911truth.org.

Still no charges against Osama bin Laden
KSLA Channel 12 News

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

Herbert Spencer.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:54 a.m.

The protocols of the elders of zion...the manual to world war 3 and total world domination...
This is their plan ! look for it in google!!!

REBELUTION !!! THE ONLY SOLUTION

down with the NWO

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:55 a.m.

Ron, we *all* make mistakes and rush to judgment from time to time. But it takes a very big person to publicly admit to doing that. Kudos to you. BTW, here's a link to a serious piece of journalism about the toxic dust issue:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19125693.000-toxic-legacy-of-the-911-dust.html

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:58 a.m.

911research.wtc7.net is a good place to start Ron.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 9:59 a.m.

Ron,

Thank you for reconsidering. It takes courage to do that. Most people don't have it in them.

I disagree with you that this issue falls under the "politics" category, however. 9/11 is about a crime--not politics. The trail of evidence should be followed whereever it leads. It is my belief (based on available evidence) that it leads to those currently in high office in the United States. Should that prove to be the case, those involved are guilty of high treason.

Tim

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:02 a.m.

Ron,

It takes a lot of courage to offer a retraction and an apology such as yours. This is something that almost NEVER happens in the media after they publish the typical 9/11 Truth smear piece.

9/11 changed my worldview and who I was. I almost joined the military after 9/11, but I didn't because of the same reason that stopped me from joining prior which was that I have a problem taking orders I can't question or refuse. However, I did start watching Fox News everyday and even supporterd pre-emptive warfare. I laughed in my friend's face when he suggested the 9/11 attacks were carried out by our government. Shortly thereafter, I was fired from my job, but an HR error left me on payroll for three months. During the first couple of weeks I stumbled upon a 9/11 Truth website. I spent the next three months watching documentaries, reading, researching and meticulously going over the official story. It was easy to find that it didn't add up. It amazes that now coming upon two years how much I have learned about the REAL world around me, the REAL history of American foreign policy, monetary policy, the Federal Reserve, the international bankers, and so much more.

Your journey will be a long one, but you'll soon start to see that there are men behind the curtain and they must be neutralized.

I would provide links videos and research, but reading the comments a lot of the good stuff is already there!

Only thing I would add is google the following, "Operation Northwoods", "Sibel Edmonds"

In liberty,
Denny Derda
Saint Peters, MO

Posted by ref at 9/12/07 10:05 a.m.

If you take a closer look at these professors, they are never specialists of the required fields. They are professors of theology, psychology, geosciences, literature. And they are questioning the highly complicated building collapses and structural analysis. There are no respected structural engineers of other people in relevant fields questioning these events.

Of course, there are few isolated cases. Like a couple of retired pilots or one demolition expert in Netherlands. But they are out of literally thousands of professionals with similar qualifications. The number of these conspiracy claiming professionals is minimal, barely existing.

And what comes to this former NIST chief questioning the events. If you look at the article, he specifically states that he does NOt believe in demolition. He does not support any conspiracy theories, he just wants a more detailed investigation of the collapse from a scientific point of view. Not because he thinks something is wrong with the official story.

That the way they decieve people. You can never be too careful when listening their claims. The have turned out to be false, 100% of the time thus far.

Posted by ChicagoJustice at 9/12/07 10:07 a.m.

David Ray Griffin (born 1939) is a retired professor of philosophy of religion and theology and a proponent of 9/11 conspiracy theories that implicate members of the United States government in the attacks. Along with John B. Cobb, Jr. he is considered a foundational thinker in Process theology.

David Ray Griffin on America Radio: August 25, 2007 (.mp3 file, will launch media player)

Books by David Ray Griffin

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:08 a.m.

Hi Ron,
Glad you could join us. The truth of 911 is a major issue, and one the whole world needs to be made aware of, but I would hope you are prompted to look farther into the situation.
The truth is that the events of 911 are but a small piece of a much bigger problem.
Now that you've seen these anomolies, the next logical questions are; Who really did it? Why?
Those are really hard questions to ask, and their answers aren't easy to find.
I could summarize by saying this:
911 was ultimately perpetrated by organizations of very bad people who seek to enslave the entire world through financial and military means.
I know, you just got into this, and I don't want to overload you, but this truth is very important in understanding not only 911, but the very real threat to our lives and liberties.
We could all write you with facts and stories, but the best way for you to learn what's going on is to reasearch this matter yourself. You will become much more confident and familiar with the truth, and you will learn many things that will touch you more personally than you can imagine.
Don't shy away from controversey anymore, my friend; don't repeat things just because you heard them on TV, and don't be afraid of those that will ridicule you for having seen the truth.
For the real greatest truth is that we are all in extreme danger right now, and it won't go away unless we protect ourselves.
Feel free to hit me up if you'd like any info.
Keep your eyes open, brother!
Take care,
John
www.myspace.com/freedomreclaimed

Posted by ChicagoJustice at 9/12/07 10:11 a.m.

Correction: #51474
David Ray Griffin on Air America Radio: August 25, 2007 (.mp3 file, will launch media player)

Posted by ChicagoJustice at 9/12/07 10:17 a.m.

Dr. Quintiere, one of the world's leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. "I hope to convince you to perhaps become 'Conspiracy Theorists', but in a proper way," he said.
Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:21 a.m.

welcome aboard ,i commend you on your transformation

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:22 a.m.

Good man Schott, good man.

God bless

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:22 a.m.

The 911 conspiracy does mean many things. Many of us know this goes much deeper than just Bush and Company. I fight to find the 911 truth for all our young men and women currently fighting a war that makes no sense. With 911 and WMD, this war would not have been possible. One of those reasons has already been clearly debunked and 911 is just much harder for people to accept.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:27 a.m.

Ron,

Also, I noticed we have a feeble-minded troll trying to discredit people based on their merits.

Here are a couple of hundreds of examples you will find interesting.
Iraq war veteran and experienced demolitions expert blows the cover on 9/11 inside job.
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

It's always good to check out the arguments on the opposing side too. However, I find that most of their arguments are ad hominem and don't stand up to the laws of physics.
Not everything that has been put forth or is claimed to be put forth by 9/11 Truth is true. In a psy-op as big as this, there will be disinformation agents and government infiltrators. Just look at COINTELPRO. There will also be people that are just plain nuts.

There is also a lot of good work done here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/118/pg1/srtpages

If you can dodge your way past all the trolls and the people that try to derail threads, there are some very smart and dedicated people on that board that have done a lot of great work.

In Liberty,
Denny Derda
St. Peters MO

Posted by RuneNordsman at 9/12/07 10:32 a.m.

Thank you Ron--I apologize for calling you a disgusting traitor--it takes a man to stand up.

Posted by BushIzzaTraitor at 9/12/07 10:33 a.m.

I firmly believe that 911 was planned, financed and orchestrated by the Republinazis under Cheney (the Ringleader), Bush (the Mentally Challenged Acolyte) and the Neo-Cons.

Their allies (the bin Laden family, KBR, Halliburton, and various BigOil companies) did it to 1) create panic so they could remove most of our constitutional rights 2) screw with the oil prices so they could reap more gold, 3) get 'credible' permission to invade iRaq, get even with Saddam (who wouldn't share more oil/money with them) and Rape the American Continent.

They have accomplished all of their goals. The dumb suicidal Arab Muslim fools who "did" the act were simply pawns in their nefarious game.

Sieg Bush!

Posted by ref at 9/12/07 10:34 a.m.

These people already call me a troll. I only point you to the facts.

Quintiere was consulted for the book "Debunking 9/11 Myths" by Popular Mechanics. See his name here:http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=9

Now, they try to give an imression, that a man who was consulted for a debunking book, is somehow a conspiracy theorist. A man who wants a more thorough approach, is somehow on "their side".

The previous writer also mentions laws of physics were violated. That's their dogma. But try to ask them, which laws of physics were violated? congratulation if you get an answer.

He lists ae911truth as a pro site. Founder of that site is Richard Gage. He became a "truther" after hearing David Ray Griffin on radio. He repeats the claims of Griffin (a theologian). He has himself designed only low rises. He himself admits on his own site, that he is no expert on demolitions, yet all the evidence on his site focuses on proving the controlled demolition theories. How ridiculous is that.

What comes to the other "pro's" on that site, everyone to this date has been able to register on that site without a proper backgroud check. There are countless false identities included.

I'm gald this is not a truther site. I have been banned on all of them for stating the truth about these truthers. Including the site of Paul Joseph Watson.

Posted by BushIzzaTraitor at 9/12/07 10:34 a.m.

I forgot to mention that the Bush family has a long long history of working with Nazis and they wanted to kill a lot of Jews at the same time. They did this, too.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:36 a.m.

WTC 7 is the key.

It collapsed into its own footprint hours after the initial attack and it was not even mentioned in the official report.

The owner made BILLIONS just in insurance money from its collapse and then stated on TV that the command was given to "pull it", a demolition term for controlled demolition.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:36 a.m.

"AIDS is man-made in our laboratories to reduce population, vaccinations are polluted intentionally, all terrorists are patsies, and JFK, Oklahoma, Pearl Harbor, London Bombings were all government secret operations. Paul probably believes all this himself."

Well, that all sounds about right. I wouldn't call Pearl Harbor a "secret government operation," but there is strong evidence of foreknowledge and inaction.

The problem with the gentleman who made this previous post (attacking Paul Joseph Watson) is the presumption made by all who attack 9/11 Truth... that the only credible "evidence" pertaining to any of these events is that which is determined to be credible evidence by those who are in power. If history books, politicians, officials and government-employed "experts" all agree on a particular conclusion (which, on 9/11... they actually don't), that's as much as they need to know. Any evidence that contradicts their conclusions is seen as "not credible," such as the findings of Professor Steven Jones.

We all know that the winners write the history books, so ask yourself... if Nazi Germany had won WWII, how likely would it be that those who spoke of the Holocaust... would be called "conspiracy theorists?" Because, after all... there would be no evidence of one, and no one who was involved would speak out or admit it. "Just how many people would have to be involved to kill six million Jews?" they would ask derisively. "I know our good German soldiers would never do such a thing. Not my son, you traitor!" or "Where is your evidence?"

The bad guys are winning this war. They are controlling the flow of information, as well as popular opinion of what is deemed to be "credible." The media is owned by those who benefit financially from supporting this system.

Please, feel free to spend time researching "Screw Loose Change" and "Debunking911.com" if you'd like. I have, and they're a waste of time. It's like watching OJ try on the glove, smiling, saying "Look, I'm innocent."

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:41 a.m.

Ron,

Keep up with the research, keeping in mind that most of us have been where you are ... that is previously believing that the "truth movement" was a bunch of wacky nutjobs. With some reseach and an open mind, suddenly you find yourself in an odd episode of the Twilight Zone in which you realize that the Truth Movement is not nutty... everyone else is nutty :)

Good luck in your research...

A non-nutty, college educated stay-at-home mom of 3 wonderful kids! (In case that matters) ...

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:44 a.m.

You sound like a lonely middle-aged man who was called-out and is now trying to salvage his career (because you know 9/11 Truth will ruin ruin with even the slightest provocation). I'll buy your sincerity when I see you writing articles that expose the truth about 9/11. But, I won't hold my breath, given your closing comment:

"From this point forward I will continue to write about issues relevant to Seattle singles and will leave politics alone."

Then again, you may just be clever enough to realize that the Truth movement is capable of catapulting your shitty little blog to super-stardom, and perhaps that's your motivation. Either way, we're all watching and waiting.

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:44 a.m.

Ron,

My family thinks I'm nuts for what I believe. But my lowest common denominator position is "I don't know what happened, but it COULDN'T have happened the way they say it did."

That alone is worthy of serious investigation.

Scott Pettersen

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:45 a.m.

I applaud your public apology!

Not an easy thing to do in your field, working for the main stream media no doubt limits free speech.

One thing I'd like to shed some light on for you is that the protesters you still are critical of and the ones you apologized to are one in the same, all part of the same movement to demand the truth be discovered and made public and most importantly that any criminal activites proven be taken to justice.

Posted by MOMBO82 at 9/12/07 10:55 a.m.

MR.SCHOTT,
NO ONE SAID THAT LIFE IN THE FAST LANE WAS FUN. OK, SO MAYBE THAT IS NOT A NOTABLE QUOTE, BUT IF THERE IS SOMETHING I GLEAN FROM YOUR POSTINGS IT IS THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO LEARN FROM MISTAKES. THIS TOO SHALL PASS AND IT WILL BE A HUGE LEARNING CURVE THAT MAY MOVE YOU IN THE DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE YOUR LIFE TO GO. MAYBE YOU ARE NOT REALLY A MAINSTREAM POLITICS TYPE GUY BUT REALLY MORE GRASSROOTS. YOU ARE A SHINING STAR IN GOD'S WORLD AND YOU WILL CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THIS GREAT WORLD. DIG DEEPER FOR ALL TRUTH AND YOU WILL GROW AS A PERSON.

PEACE,LOVE,AND GIRLS WHO DO KNOW WHO LED ZEPELIN IS.
MOMBO82

Posted by ref at 9/12/07 10:55 a.m.

These people seem so nice, yet they accuse people of murdering 3000 of their own citizens. They claim to have proof, yet they are not in court. They claim to have massive following, yet even the 6th anniversary demonstrations of 9/11 at NYC gathered about a hundred, maybe a couple of hundred people. And that was their main event of the year.

That one poster said, that all I wrote about Paul Joseph Watson was about right, and that was ok with him. That's the crowd we are dealing with. He accuses me of attacking Paul, yet find no problem with Paul making all those accusations. With zero proof. I find it absolutely incredible. These people truly believe this stuff.

Posted by davidslesinger at 9/12/07 10:56 a.m.

I am on the verge of becoming an adversary of the 911truth movement because of its suppression of serious discussion of nonviolence. I will not be an adversary of 911truth, just the movement.

I spoke at national 911 conferences on nonviolence in 2005,6,and 7. To review my concerns, read my post entitled " Call for mediation" at my website 911courage.org. Contact me at davidslesinger@yahoo.com

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:59 a.m.

Ron,
Regarding fasces, yes... your "tie that binds" interpretation could apply. Yet, fact remains that it is the historical symbol of fascism, not much different than the hammer and sickle... or the swastika (since the Hitler era). Either of those examples would look equally absurd, alongside the Speaker's chair. Governments, unlike citizens, do pay attention to their symbology, and their symbology usually does reflect their intent. In addition to all the great 9/11 resources you have been getting, and do take the time to read or view them, you might want to research the Federal Reserve, for this is one of the defining moments in our history, the birth of modern day fascism, and ultimately the power behind why FALSE FLAG operations can be conducted in America at will. Being a disabled US Navy vet, I would also refer you to official DoD documents regarding the attack against the "USS Liberty", another false flag operation, conducted in the Middle East by the Israelis, aided by OUR GOVERNMENT. USSLIBERTY.ORGOf course, add to that the CIA run 1950s false flag campaign against Mossadeq (democratically elected, pro-Western leader of Iran), The Gulf of Tonkin false flag operation (Vietnam), Operation Northwoods (Cuba), and our history if intervention throughout Central and South America especially since the 1980s. Fascism does exist in the United States of America. 9/11 is just a symptom of that infection.
Regards,
Mongo Lloyd

Posted by unregistered user at 9/12/07 10:59 a.m.

From;Nick G.
Thank you, it takes courage for you to retract your previous statement about the 9/11 truth movement. The movement in New York were there not just to bring awareness to the masses, but to raise money for the fi