Posted by Cameron08 at 10/5/08 1:11 p.m.

"Was used to argue, falsely, that buenre would raise taxes on Families with children." Ok Joel, how does one raise the Capital Gains Rate from 15% to 36% and not raise taxes on families with children? Is Burner going against Obama's tax plan? We already know that she double counted deductions in her tax plan don't we Joel? I guess all of us in the 8th can be thankful that idiots like Joel only allow illegal voting from vacation houses in his Congressional district.

Posted by unregistered user at 10/5/08 1:36 p.m.

Your "blog" is an absolute JOKE! Not one word about the million$$$ of out-of-state slime money that has flowed into Burner's coffers.

We always suspect that the nutjob press is blindly leftist...then there are examples such as this that remove all doubt....

Posted by _badger at 10/5/08 2:17 p.m.

I think Burner's add about Reichert being Ineffective is brilliant. (and spot on)

Reichert is just more Bush rubber stamping, and we all know (except a few right wing robot bloggers) that that was a bad idea.

Reichert, McCain, who cares, get rid of them all.

Time for Change!

Posted by Wash DC Coug Fan at 10/5/08 2:25 p.m.

Here's Joel, the tired old liberal with another unreported campaign contribution for Washington liberals. No wonder newspaper viewership is tanking, the marketplace of information and ideas is rejecting Joel's tired old agenda.

There's lots of third party efforts in Washington politics, and at 156k, the US Chamber stuff is small potatoes. Of course, Joel doesn't dare make mention of any of the labor backed third party groups that have spent millions this year, he's got to point to a 'secretive' group, that's so secretive, even Joel C has a good idea where their money comes from.

What does it say about Darcy Burner, when in a time when the Republican Party is tanking nationally, in a state as blue as Washington, with the momentum of Obama's historic candidacy, and with all the Joel C and his friends in the media have done to call Reichert innefective and bad, that she continues to trail him, even as liberal special interest groups across the country pour money into her race?

Hopefully after two losses in a row, Darcy Burnout will go get a day job.

Posted by _badger at 10/5/08 2:32 p.m.

"even as liberal special interest groups across the country pour money into her race?"

Ummm.. did you read the article before spouting off? The Special interests you're so fond off bashing are pouring Tons of MONEY into HIS campaign. They're scared of losing yet another seat.

I love how you reconfigure facts to fit your world view. Must be nice to be able to re-arrange reality like that.

badger

Posted by unregistered user at 10/5/08 2:46 p.m.

Rubberstamp Reichert was a failure as a Detective, a failure as the KC Sheriff and is a total failure as a Congressman. He is also a Traitor for voting for the Telecom Immunity Bill. We used to Hang Traitors. Now we reward them.

Posted by whidbey.us@gmail.co at 10/5/08 2:55 p.m.

Wash DC Coug Fan stated:
"Of course, Joel doesn't dare make mention of any of the labor backed third party groups that have spent millions this year"

_badger stated:
"I love how you reconfigure facts to fit your world view. Must be nice to be able to re-arrange reality like that."

Hmmm _badger, why don't you take a look at:

www.opensecrets.org
2008 Race: Washington District 08
Top Contributors
http://tinyurl.com/3tu2vq

and you will see that Burner's contributors do look like labor indeed has backed her quite heavily with some of the largest contributors from labor PACS and labor unions.

It looks like the normal liberal mix of government employee unions and labor unions.

It wouldn't be that Government employees and labor unions would want to sway her votes now would it?

Posted by _badger at 10/5/08 3:56 p.m.

"It wouldn't be that Government employees and labor unions would want to sway her votes now would it?"

And you think the big corporations giving money to Reichart want anything else? How naive.

They want a nice rubberstamp croney in office, why else would they spend so much money on ads?

Your logic is flawed. And try not to spit when you say the word labor, you'll short out your keyboard. LOL.

Labor groups have done more for the average american than fat cat corporations will ever do. I don't see a problem with Labor, like you see to. Forty hour work week ring a bell?

Posted by KMW at 10/5/08 4:03 p.m.

Doesn't matter who spends money to try and defeat Darcy it won't work because Darcy has too many years of political experience. She has solved the budget crisis, planned the end of the war, ended global warming and improved international relations all while serving on her homeowner's board. What a gal. Can you imagine what she could do if she ever held public office and got some experience. Or even if she were to volunteer and help some charities instead of always running for office!!

Posted by whidbey.us@gmail.co at 10/5/08 4:44 p.m.

_badger stated:
""It wouldn't be that Government employees and labor unions would want to sway her votes now would it?"
And you think the big corporations giving money to Reichart want anything else? How naive."

Well you were the one made the statement that was rearranging reality by claiming someone was "reconfigure facts to fit your world view" when in fact it was you that was reconfiguring the facts after Coug Fan pointed out that her largest contributors were from third party union efforts.

"They want a nice rubberstamp croney in office, why else would they spend so much money on ads?"

So a pro union, no experience nobody like Burner who is elected with out of state union money is better? ha-ha-ha! I laugh in your face.

"Your logic is flawed."

If my logic is so flawed then how did I prove you wrong?

"And try not to spit when you say the word labor, you'll short out your keyboard. LOL."

Is that supposed to be some kind of joke? Witticism? Maybe a funny?

"Labor groups have done more for the average american than fat cat corporations will ever do."

Yeah...good one. Maybe ask GM how Toyota is kicking their *ss.
GM is begging for federal money while Toyota is making money and it is happening right here in this country.

The difference? Union labor.

Boeing has outsourced much of it's new production and will continue to outsource more thanks to the high cost of union labor.

Will the last person leaving Seattle please turn out the lights?

"I don't see a problem with Labor, like you see to."

That is until your union job is outsourced or you have real competition from non union labor then you will join the homeless.

"Forty hour work week ring a bell?"

I wish for a 40 hour work week, sure would be nice....

...but then again I work for myself so I guess I don't have the option to work so few hours like a union person would..

Posted by Organization Man at 10/5/08 6:44 p.m.

Burner is our Sarah Palin. Only Palin is smarter, better-looking, and more experienced.

Posted by _badger at 10/6/08 1:22 a.m.

"Is that supposed to be some kind of joke? Witticism? Maybe a funny?"

Yup, it's called humor, you should try it some time. Seriously, lighten up, it's just politics. It's that game that no one wins? :)

I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine, so we might as well just raise a pint in the general direction of the screen and carry on.

badger

Posted by whidbey.us@gmail.co at 10/6/08 7:05 a.m.

_badger stated:
""Is that supposed to be some kind of joke? Witticism? Maybe a funny?"
Yup, it's called humor, you should try it some time. Seriously, lighten up, it's just politics. It's that game that no one wins? :)
I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine, so we might as well just raise a pint in the general direction of the screen and carry on."

So...in other words you just pop into these forums, make accusations about other people posts that you claim "reconfigure facts to fit your world view. Must be nice to be able to re-arrange reality like that" and then when you are proven wrong you just "want to raise a pint and carry on".

That is the problem with liberals.

They parrot what they hear, make wild claims that are unsubstantiated and then walk away when presented with the facts.

That is why liberals and their ideas should be discarded as sheer rubbish.

Posted by _badger at 10/6/08 8:13 a.m.

"That is the problem with liberals."

The "problem" is that I don't want to beat my head against a brick wall.

Seriously, you think it's ok for tons of out of state money to be applied to Rubberstamp, while yelling about out of state union money.

Then you complain about Unions, while stating you would be better off working for one. "...but then again I work for myself so I guess I don't have the option to work so few hours like a union person would.."

Why argue with someone who won't see any other side. Waste of time and energy, I have better things to do.

That's the problem with Liberals? What a joke.

Don Quixote I leave you to your windmills.

Posted by whidbey.us@gmail.co at 10/6/08 10:04 a.m.

_badger stated:
"That is the problem with liberals."

"The "problem" is that I don't want to beat my head against a brick wall."

So you would rather post comments that you cannot back up? That makes a lot of sense.

"Seriously, you think it's ok for tons of out of state money to be applied to Rubberstamp, while yelling about out of state union money."

Oh...so you do have a point but you don't want to beat your head against the wall to prove it.

Never mind that Burner recieves more money from out of state groups than Reichert you will post your unproven rhetoric here anyway, even when confronted with the facts.

www.opensecrets.org
2008 Race: Washington District 08
Top Contributors
http://tinyurl.com/3tu2vq

"Then you complain about Unions, while stating you would be better off working for one.
"...but then again I work for myself so I guess I don't have the option to work so few hours like a union person would..""

I certainly did not state I would be better off working for one. I would have less hours but also less money...

"Why argue with someone who won't see any other side. Waste of time and energy, I have better things to do."

Then why do you post here in the first place if you have better things to do?

You are just here to post rhetoric and propaganda?

Ahh...that is what I thought.

Posted by _badger at 10/6/08 10:33 a.m.

"You are just here to post rhetoric and propaganda?
Ahh...that is what I thought."

LOL!

What are you doing here then? All your slings and barbs can be hurled right back at you.

"Then why do you post here in the first place if you have better things to do?"

I keep coming back to see what sort of frothing mouthed antics you're going to come up with next. You're really worked up about this, you might want to take a couple deep breaths and relax.

To the issue at hand...

I don't vote for against a candidate on a single issue, I look at the whole package. You look at what Rubberstamp does (or does not do), and who he votes with all the time (Bush) and I can easily see where my vote goes.

You state that it's worse for Darcy because MORE of her money comes from out of state. But yet Rubberstamp has out of state money too. How is that not a problem? Is it just because it's Union money? Most of the money on your own link comes from ActBlue, not Unions anyway. ActBlue is not a corporation, it's a progressive PAC.

So, really it boils down it party/ideology again. Heck, we might as well argue religion, and that's an argument we can never win. I read a nice pamphlet at church last weekend that encouraged me to consider a candidates whole package when voting, not a single issue.

You can't seriously look me in the (virtual) eye and say that more of the same is good for America? Bush has done more damage to this country in the last 7.5 years than any president in my memory, including Reagan. This country is in trouble, serious trouble, and you want to continue? Rubberstamp votes the Bush line, therefor I am opposed. Darcy seems like a smart candidate, who offers a different viewpoint. She's essentially what Palin wishes she was, with out the moose hunting skills. I'm for change. Heck, even McCain is advocating change in the political status quo.

There you go, have fun picking it apart and telling me how wrong I am.

Posted by unregistered user at 10/6/08 10:59 a.m.

Interesting to read all the "humor" posts on Darcy and "liberals" while not finding a single point defending Representative Goodhair. I guess that's what I find so funny - there's no way to defend his lack of achievement.

Oh wait - yes, he managed to get a school bus driver fired within 2 weeks of flipping Bush the bird. Wow, there's some results! Imagine if he'd been a little quicker on the uptake with something relevant to his actual work, like stopping a mass murderer.

Posted by unregistered user at 10/6/08 12:34 p.m.

Actually Don Barbieri (Eastern Washington 5th District Congressional candidate 2004) served as Chairman of the Spokane Area Chamber of Commerce in 2001-2002 and put together a coalition of 5 area Chambers to work on area issues and STILL the National Chamber did a hacket job on him in his Congressional race. Progressive businesses need to hold them accountable!

Posted by whidbey.us@gmail.co at 10/6/08 3:37 p.m.

_badger at 10/6/08 10:33 a.m.

"You are just here to post rhetoric and propaganda?
Ahh...that is what I thought."
LOL!
What are you doing here then? All your slings and barbs can be hurled right back at you."

Well may I suggest that you come up with sources to back up your statements as I did. At least you will be posting something that is verifiable instead of just mindless rhetoric.
"Then why do you post here in the first place if you have better things to do?"
"I keep coming back to see what sort of frothing mouthed antics you're going to come up with next. You're really worked up about this, you might want to take a couple deep breaths and relax."

So facts and sources are "frothing mouthed antics' EH?

"To the issue at hand..."

"I don't vote for against a candidate on a single issue, I look at the whole package. You look at what Rubberstamp does (or does not do), and who he votes with all the time (Bush) and I can easily see where my vote goes."

Actually Reichert votes against the gop leadership more than you think. In fact he voted with the Democrats 49 votes of 161 (30%) which is one of the highest of the Republicans.

So....as you can see you are again wrong by claiming that Reichert votes with (Bush) "all the time".

SOURCE- tinyurl.com/4v76kl

"You state that it's worse for Darcy because MORE of her money comes from out of state. But yet Rubberstamp has out of state money too. How is that not a problem?

I never said it was.....you did.

"Is it just because it's Union money? Most of the money on your own link comes from ActBlue, not Unions anyway. ActBlue is not a corporation, it's a progressive PAC.
So, really it boils down it party/ideology again. Heck, we might as well argue religion, and that's an argument we can never win. I read a nice pamphlet at church last weekend that encouraged me to consider a candidates whole package when voting, not a single issue.

"You can't seriously look me in the (virtual) eye and say that more of the same is good for America? Bush has done more damage to this country in the last 7.5 years than any president in my memory, including Reagan.
This country is in trouble, serious trouble, and you want to continue?"

I do not see it that way seeing how 99.9% of the financial troubles we are in is not caused by the Republicans. You can go on and on about blame but all's I know is liberal philosophy got us into this mess so it sure cannot get us out.

"Rubberstamp votes the Bush line, therefor I am opposed."

I am assuming you mean Reichert when you use that name and have already shown you that is not true.
(Besides the fact that Bush doesn't even vote on legislation)

"Darcy seems like a smart candidate, who offers a different viewpoint. She's essentially what Palin wishes she was,"

Darcy Burner is a no body. She has really done nothing. Her life reads like it has been without exception

"with out the moose hunting skills. I'm for change. Heck, even McCain is advocating change in the political status quo."

And he has for many years.

"There you go, have fun picking it apart and telling me how wrong I am"

We....you do make it Sooooo easy....

Posted by _badger at 10/6/08 5:29 p.m.

Having fun yet? :)

I'm not going to engage with you anymore, not because you're right or wrong, or that I'm more right or wrong... But because like I said, arguing this type of thing is like arguing religion. It's a waste of time and energy.

No one wins these type of discussions, and you're not changing my mind, or me yours. You can arrange your facts one way, and I can arrange facts to support either side.

I've argued with people like you before, and I'm just not going to bother.

Laters.

Posted by whidbey.us@gmail.co at 10/6/08 8:00 p.m.

_badger stated:
"I've argued with people like you before, and I'm just not going to bother."

Another liberal that facts mean little to I see...

Posted by _badger at 10/6/08 11:31 p.m.

"nother liberal that facts mean little to I see..."

Sure... What ever keeps you warm at night.

:)

Posted by unregistered user at 10/10/08 8:11 p.m.

I wish every person that ever complained about labor unions would be forced to work a year without weekends for the same pay.

If you are not a millionaire and you are complaining about labor unions you are as ignorant as the day is long July 21 on the North Pole.