Posted by po'ed at 5/10/08 7:31 p.m.

Hey there all my brothers and sisters to the south, before you cast your ballots for President I want you to remember these words- "We feel your pain". Sound familiar to you? Well those are the very words Hillary's husband said to us before they slammed the door shut in our faces and destroyed the logging/lumber industry in the Northwest and doomed hundreds if not thousands of families to hardship, divorce, suicide and a host of other travails that accompany the loss of your livelihood and culture. So when that lying, cheating, worthless sonofab---h and his old lady showup wanting you vote and/or "campain" money, just tell them "we feel you pain" as you show them the door, oh and please DON'T tell them they're welcome in Washington- DC maybe but not state. Thanks y'all, yur buddy Snoose Can

Posted by Iblis at 5/10/08 7:53 p.m.

You really expected your logging lifestyle to be sacrosanct, immune from change?

It was dying off in the early 70s as evidenced by the numerous TWIGS local trucks were hauling to the mills. I remember the days when only THREE logs adorned a Peterbuilt on its way to Crown Z/Rainier.

You killed your own industry off, by the rampant clear cutting of old growth stands, engineered by greedy gypo loggers, who joked about the spotted owl, as the top soil ran down the mountain sides in sheets.

That arrogant attitude did nothing to endear you in the publics eye.

Maybe you should have stayed awake in Chemistry class, instead of betting your future on a steady job in the logging industry...

Posted by skeptical at 5/10/08 8:15 p.m.

iblis the hate monger

Posted by unregistered user at 5/10/08 9:03 p.m.

Yes, Bend is in Central Oregon and it is east of the Cascades. It's been growing faster than anywhere else in Oregon in the past few years. Got some very sweet vibes up there.

Posted by OneOleMan at 5/10/08 9:30 p.m.

In all fairness we have to admit no industry -- no profession continues without change and that includes not only the logging industry but the automotive industry, textile industry news industry are even the telegraph industry. (Yes that's right I also included the telegraph industry.) It is not only industries that change, companies merge, companies down size, companies combine offices, companies move offices and companies outsource various tasks.

Many of us, if not most of us, have been affected by job changes. When that happens we have two choices; 1 -- we can feel sorry for ourselves and drown our sorrows in liquor or, 2 -- we can pull ourselves up by the bootstraps and retrain for a better job.

I'm not being insensitive to those who have lost their jobs, I truly can feel their pain because it has happened to me several times in my working career.

Posted by evergreen_senator at 5/10/08 9:47 p.m.

Joel Connelly is the same reporter who keeps implying that Dave Reichert has only "one" congressional challenger this year, so I'll take his definition of "major," regarding presidential candidates, with a grain of salt. Both Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich campaigned in Oregon as presidential candidates in recent years. Who decides who are candidates are and who's considered major: We the People or reporters?

http://www.PartyofCommons.com

http://360.yahoo.com/poc_senator

Posted by evergreen_senator at 5/10/08 9:51 p.m.

CLARIFICATION (grammatical):

Who decides who our candidates are and who's considered major: We the People or reporters?

http://www.geocities.com/electCmark/congress

Posted by unregistered user at 5/10/08 10:20 p.m.

I live in Bend ... there were no tickets available other than for select locals.

Posted by Snowdog at 5/10/08 10:35 p.m.

Hopefully Obama-man stopped in to have a pint of Black Butte Porter at the Deschutes Brewery!

Posted by unregistered user at 5/10/08 11:07 p.m.

I live in Bend too. Don't know where you got the impression attendees were "select". All you had to do was pick up a (free) ticket at the Obama office. A friend picked up one for me, and there was no pre-screening or preference for who could attend.

In addition there was a "space available" line and even more people were admitted after all the ticketed attendees were seated.

Posted by USAGYM08 at 5/10/08 11:25 p.m.

Skeptical, Iblis was just telling it like it is. You can't claim grandfather status in to secure your profession regardless of any factor weighing against it.

In 1998 I wrote a story about a guy in Upriver Skagit County who was STILL blaming the spotted owl for his drop in business.

My mother lost a pretty good career as a headhunter in the Silicon Valley when the semiconductor industry went south in the '80s. She may have wanted to complain to Congress, but instead she realized it was time to shift focus.

That's not to take anything away from those who've been hit by the economic devastation in these notoriously rural areas incapable of rapid transition. I feel for them. I just can't accept their pleas to return to a time when we decimated our natural resources.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/11/08 2:39 a.m.

Don't know how you can blame "Bill and Hill" for logging demise, we took note of the handwriting on the wall, decided the spotted owl and overcutting had won and left logging in Western Washington in 1989. My husband returned to school in 1990 ... best decision we ever made, and we were in our mid-40's.
Obama supporters, but wanting to be fair.

Posted by po'ed at 5/11/08 9:02 a.m.

Dear Iblis,
Change truly is the spice of life and you should try it. Again we hear from the mouth of an anti-capitalist hiding behind the guise of an environmentalist but the poor soul is unaware of it. Turn your eyes to the south my misguided friend for you have been duped again. While we of the Northwest were watching our jobs in the logging/lumber industry dissapear, large corporations were stepping up their "footprint" in third world countries. You my dear are nothing more than a pawn to be used by those who seek to slow down our economy while bolstering the emerging third world economic power. This has nothing to do with saving species but provides a wonderfully thick smoke screen for coporate monsters the likes of Weyerhauser who now are clear cutting the Amazon basin to name just one of the more famous logging sites now in full swing, you think our hills looked bad clear cut at least we replanted them, all they do in countries where environmental laws do not exist is take and take with no thought to the future. While I was waiting for the last days of my job as a millwright at a Weyerhauser sawmill to come to a close the current mill manager boasted on how fast the new mill in Brazil was being completed and how large it was going to be and how many MILLIONS of board feet of lumber it was going to put out per year and how they didn't have to worry about oil or chemical spills on the mill property and the resulting litigation. Yep, all that protesting logging in the Northwest really helped alot didn't it you stupid misguided putz. Thanks to people like you we will be able to buy all of our wood products from third world nations while our independence from coporate control vanishes like smoke over a slash burn. Yours truly, Snoose Can

Posted by Johnny Canuck at 5/11/08 11:30 a.m.

Dear po'ed.

You accuse iblis of being anti-capitalist but you seem to also be anti-capitalist since you rant about "large corporations". Perhaps you are just confused about the true enemy. In any event large American corporations do not give a tinker's bell about American workers and will quickly shift production to a foreign country - not usually because the environmental laws are more lax but because the wages are so much lower. In some countries fifty workers could be hired for what you probably earned as a millright.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/11/08 5:41 p.m.

This country consumed 12 billion board feet of wood products prior to Clinton's Forest Plan. We currently still consume about 12 billion board feet of wood.

Instead of coming from the best managed timberlands in the world...that timber volume is coming from third world countries. Take Google Earth and "fly over" British Columbia and see the environmental effects of the Clinton Forest Plan.

It is a form of ecological imperilism where we export the environmental impacts of our lifestyle.

I just saw where the Democratic Leadership asked the world to increase their drilling for and production of oil. They excluded the United States.

Maybe what we need is hypocracy offsets. Just like those carbon offsets the rich and famous can buy!!

Posted by Mango Dobbins at 5/12/08 2:00 p.m.

Sustainable forestry works, but it's not as profitable. Small mom-and-pop operations can get away with it quite well.
As a carpenter, I need good wood. I'd rather have local doug fir and cedar, responsibly harvested by guys I can have a beer with.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 7:35 a.m.

Po'ed,

I too feel your pain, tho I've never been East of Portland or Eugene, to your area of beautiful country. Just reading as an outsider.

My only point that I'd like to make is that if you are concerned about environmental damage in developing/'3rd world' countries we should all work hard to elect not only Barack, but Democrats to the Senate and House. ONLY the Democratic Party will work hard to fix international trade laws to include more strict environmental and labor laws. I know NAFTA didn't really have those, but we are in a different era of sustainable development. Unfortunately, whatever non-sustainable practices that were put into place in the 80s/90s were never fixed and were in fact were made far far worse by Bush and the Republican Congress' policy of corporate welfare and tax breaks to the worst polluting corporations on Earth. Part of the problem now, in addition to Bush, is the 60-vote "filibuster" hurdle caused by obstructionist pro-corporate Republicans in the Senate. We all need to lobby for sustainable forestry and ag -- but esp the American logging industry and small farm communities, both of which have been slammed hard by the greedy and careless multinational corporate counterparts. I hope everyone can remember that when you pull the lever for President and for your Senator. That's my $.02. Thanks...

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 12:21 p.m.

bend is a beautiful area. visited there in 2001 for the bmw motorcycle rally. best fairgrounds in the world, clean air, nice people, great roads with minimal traffic and no potholes. john day fossil beds and 70 miles between gas stations.

if you fine folks don't let presidential politics pull you apart . . . .

Posted by unregistered user at 6/6/08 6:22 a.m.

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