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Google IPO and MicrosoftA quick search of Google's long-awaited IPO registration statement, submitted today, shows some interesting Microsoft-related statements but no big Microsoft-related surprises. Most of the mentions come, as you would expect, under the category of risk factors. Here's the relevant passage: We face significant competition from Microsoft and Yahoo. For further coverage of the Google IPO, see sites including Google IPO Central, MSNBC.com, and TheStreet.com and Watching Google Like a Hawk. The Associated Press weighs in here. And here is the company press release. Kinsley swimming awayThis week I experienced one of those moments of serendipity that can restore a person's faith in the universe. At a conference in Seattle a few days ago, I happened to meet someone who was selling a collection of used Microsoft books, magazines and memorabilia. I ended up buying pretty much all of it, and in going through the pile yesterday I came across a copy of the May 20, 1996, issue of Newsweek magazine. On the cover, next to the headline "Swimming to Seattle," was Michael Kinsley, then the newly appointed editor of Microsoft's Slate online magazine. "Everybody is Else is Moving There," the cover read. "Should You?" The story was a fascinating read, documenting a watershed moment in Seattle's recent history, from the emergence of grunge to the rise of Starbucks and Microsoft. A passage on Kinsley -- the former New Republic editor who was probably best known for going head-to-head with Pat Buchanan on CNN's "Crossfire" -- noted that he had second thoughts about his decision to join Microsoft when he was invited to "bond with his colleagues in a game of Laser Tag." The serendipitous part: As it happened, not two hours after I went through that article yesterday, the Los Angeles Times announced that Kinsley will be joining the newspaper in June as its editorial and opinion editor. He'll be leaving his position as a contributing editor to Slate, although he'll remain part time in Seattle. As you can probably imagine, I couldn't help but let the experience of looking back at the Newsweek story influence the angle of the story about Kinsley that ran in this morning's P-I. If you have access to a copy of the physical paper, we also ran an image of the cover along with the story. Also see coverage by MSNBC, Editor & Publisher, Reuters, the New York Times, the Associated Press -- and, of course, the L.A. Times.
Apple, Microsoft and toastApple Computer CEO Steve Jobs, in a conference call today marking the one-year anniversary of the iTunes Music Store, reiterated his past comments about the prospects for portable video players, such as the Portable Media Center devices set to debut later this year around a new type of Microsoft software. (One of them is pictured at right.) In short, Jobs said he thinks they're a bad idea, and he said Apple doesn't plan to add video to the iPod. His comment on the issue came in response to Detroit Free Press reporter Mike Wendland, who asked what's next for the iPod. Video? A color screen? Might we see an iPhone multi-purpose device? "You know, our next big step is we want it to make toast," Jobs answered. "I want to brown my bagels when I'm listening to my music. And we're toying with refrigeration, too."
Want anti-virus with that?
The graphic at right shows the results from yesterday's poll on the seattlepi.com home page, which asked readers whether Microsoft should build anti-virus protection into Windows. As you can see, nearly 77 percent of respondents answered yes. It's important to keep in mind that these polls are unscientific and not designed to be representative, making it difficult and unwise to try to draw from them conclusions about the larger population. Still, it's an interesting result. The poll was based on this story from Saturday's P-I, which recounted the comments of Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith at a seminar held by Seattle University and TechNet. As the story explains, the situation presents Microsoft with a dilemma. With many computers unprotected, some might say it would be responsible for the company to incorporate antivirus capabilities into Windows. But doing so could give rise to claims over the competitive impact. (See also this previous story on the subject.) Public sentiment seems to be more divided than the poll results suggest. I received this emphatic e-mail from a reader in Renton after the story appeared: An absolute NO!!!!!! Would you buy a car built by Microsoft?? Hell NO!! McAfee, Norton and Innoculan do a great job with their virus programs. It's only those folks who are too cheap or too ignorant to invest in or learn to constantly update their virus programs that get hit with viruses. As a computer tech who has RELIGIOUSLY kept his virus program updated, I have been hit with exactly ONE virus in 4 years that came even remotely close to doing any kind of damage.....Having Microsoft get into the virus protection business is an exercise in futility & will only give us a sub-standard product.....Don't own a virus program or do not update it regularly?? TOUGH LUCK!!! Like the old Fram oil filter commercial. You can pay me now or you can pay me later..... Also see this discussion on Neowin, below a reference to the story. A comment there and a post by Joe Wilcox on Microsoft Monitor both questioned the 70 percent/30 percent statistic cited by Smith during his speech. I've made a few calls in an attempt to figure out where that came from, and I'll let you know what I find out. (Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer cited essentially the same stat in a speech a few weeks ago.) In the meantime, I went back to my recording and transcribed the relevant portions of Smith's speech. It's important to note that this came as part of a much broader discussion. He also talked in detail about the security-related responsibilities of Microsoft, the rest of the industry, government, law enforcement and others. With that in mind, here's what he said about the consumer aspect of the issue: "Automobile manufacturers have had to do a great deal to make cars safer. But individuals are still the ones who decide whether to put on their seatbelt. And to some degree the same analogy applies with respect to PCs, as well. And I think part of our responsibility as an industry is not only to provide the tools that individuals can use but to invest in increasingly broad education campaigns to help make consumers aware of the tools that are at their fingertips, and the need for them to use them. Later, during the Q&A, a person in the audience noted that, in the auto industry, consumer lawsuits prompted manufacturers to install seat belts and airbags as standard features, not just as options. (The issue of legal liability is different in the software industry, given the protections of end-user license agreements. See this story and this post from last year if you're interested in more on that issue.) The person asked Smith whether the same might happen in the software industry -- with antivirus features, for example. Here's what Smith said in response: "Well, you raise an interesting question, because the reality is, over the last decade, Microsoft has been sued not for leaving things out but for putting things in. [Laughter from crowd.] There is a tension that is a real-world tension. We definitely have emerged from all the antitrust issues of the last decade with a keen appreciation for the wide variety of ways in which our decisions affect others, including others in our industry. There are a number of very important companies that we collaborate very closely with, and have for years, who are in the anti-virus space. At the same time, one does hear increasingly suggestions from consumer organizations or consumers who basically say, 'Gee, why don't you build anti-virus support into Windows?'
Keeping Sun talks secretOver lunch at an event where he spoke last week, Brad Smith, Microsoft’s general counsel, told this behind-the-scenes story from the company's recent settlement discussions with Sun Microsystems: The final stages of the talks, in late March, took place in New York City. At one point, Smith had to leave for a previously scheduled speaking commitment at the nearby Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. As Smith tells the story, one of the people there -- unaware, like everyone else, that settlement talks were under way at that very moment -- asked about the possibility of a resolution in the Sun case. Smith could only say that he certainly hoped one would be possible. Imagine that person's surprise at the news a few days later. MBS: A closer lookMary Jo Foley of Microsoft Watch analyzes the financial performance of Microsoft Business Solutions in this story and questions whether the unit -- one of Microsoft's seven primary divisions -- will meet its stated goal of becoming profitable by the end of the calendar year. Behind all that ill willWhy do some people hate Microsoft? John Topley -- "a Java developer who does actually like Microsoft" -- poses that question and seeks to answer it in this extensive and thoughtful post on his weblog. (Link via Watching Microsoft Like a Hawk.)
European decision textThe European Commission released the 302-page public version of its Microsoft antitrust ruling today. You can go to this portion of the EU Web site to download a copy (under "Hot Topics"). Microsoft released a seven-page response (click here for the .pdf) essentially previewing the arguments it's likely to make on appeal. In the meantime, the trade group CCIA is asking Secretary of State Colin Powell and U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick to refrain from intervening.
.Net vs. Java: One viewSun Microsystems and Microsoft settled their litigation and agreed to cooperate in a range of areas a few weeks ago, but they're still competitors. One of the main areas of competition is between Microsoft's .Net and Sun's Java, rival platforms for software development. In a story this morning about a $16 million round of funding received by software company Dexterra Inc., John Cook, the P-I's venture capital reporter, wrote about issues including the company's decision to go with .Net. Here's the key passage below, quoting Rob Loughan, Dexterra's founder. Unlike some competitors, Dexterra's software is completely built around Microsoft's .NET technology. It only works on Microsoft-powered devices such as the Tablet PC, Smartphone and Pocket PC.
Lindows files for IPOLindows Inc., the desktop Linux vendor in a trademark dispute with Microsoft, filed papers with the Securities and Exchange Commission today for an initial public offering of its stock, seeking to raise as much as $57.5 million. Among the disclosures in the filing: As of Dec. 31, the company had an accumulated deficit of $11.9 million. The company also discusses the Microsoft litigation at length. See the full document here. Jeff Bezos as hecklerFrank Catalano wrote an interesting roundup of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America's Nebula Awards, held this past weekend in Seattle. (Link via Anita Rowland.) Among the anecdotes Catalano tells: Rick Rashid, senior vice president of Microsoft Research, while giving the keynote speech on previous visions of the future, had a display problem that required him to re-start his laptop. While the audience waited ... and waited ... a lone voice, belonging to Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos, shouted out from the audience, "It's nice to see that Windows doesn't boot up any faster for you."
Computer student declineNPR's Morning Edition had an interesting story this morning on declining enrollment in college computer science programs, adding some context to Bill Gates' recent college tour. Listen to the NPR audio here. How many 747s is that?In looking for a way to conceptualize $53 billion, Microsoft's cash balance as of Dec. 31, some colleagues and I came up with the approach reflected in the opening paragraph of this story from today's paper: The sum of $53 billion is enough to fund NASA for a year, assemble a fleet of 100 Boeing 747s, and buy every person in Seattle a 2004 Subaru Outback -- with a few billion left over for incidentals. In case you're wondering, here's the math behind the sentence:
There's got to be a MasterCard commercial in there somewhere. Addendum: One more point came to mind on this issue: Discussions about the company's cash make me think back to a passage in the book "Hard Drive" (by James Wallace of the P-I and Jim Erickson, then of the P-I) where Steve Smith, Microsoft's first marketing director, discovers in the company's bank account 10 certificates of deposit worth $100,000 each. "After that," they write, "he never worried about his marketing budget." Even back then, it seems, Microsoft didn't quite know what to do with all the money it was making. Minnesota settlementMicrosoft and lawyers representing Minnesota consumers this morning announced that they reached a settlement in the consumer class-action suit in the state, which accused the company of overcharging for its software. Here's the joint statement. See this Associated Press story for more details. The settlement ends what had been the first consumer antitrust class action to reach trial against the company. Highlights of the trial included some interesting e-mail disclosures and an apology from a Microsoft lawyer about the company's tactics. Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer had both been expected to testify in the trial.
A new NewsbotThe test version of the MSN Newsbot news-search engine was updated this week with some of the additional features shown a few weeks ago at a conference on the Microsoft campus. The beta is now available in 10 versions, each targeted to an individual country, although there's no U.S. English version as yet. You can access the various sites through the MSN Sandbox page. New features of Newsbot include a section called The Daily Me, with a search-history feature similar Amazon.com's newly launched A9 search and personalization features similar to Greg Linden's Findory.com, which we profiled last week. Stefanie Olsen of CNet News.com has more about MSN Newsbot and the other news-search tools in this story. Real's Apple overtureDespite our best efforts, we haven't been able to get Microsoft or Apple to comment on yesterday's New York Times story, which detailed an e-mail from RealNetworks CEO Rob Glaser to Apple's Steve Jobs, seeking a "tactical alliance" opening the iPod to use with RealNetworks' music services. Without such an alliance, Glaser wrote that Real could be forced to support Microsoft's rival media format. As this Associated Press story explains, Real has apparently made no further progress with Apple. Online chat about MSRWashingtonPost.com hosted Rick Rashid, the Microsoft senior vice president in charge of the company's research unit, for an online chat with its readers yesterday. Topics included Microsoft Research's role in the technology behind Longhorn, the next version of Windows. Here's the transcript (free registration required).
New antitrust filingsMicrosoft, the U.S. Justice Department and Massachusetts filed their latest status reports yesterday in the company's U.S. antitrust settlement. Click here for the full text of the Microsoft/DOJ joint status report. Click here for a .pdf of the Massachusetts filing. In its portion of the report, Microsoft disclosed new licensing deals with Time Warner, Sun Microsystems and GeoTrust, giving them access to the communications protocols needed to make their software work better with Windows -- a key issue in the antitrust case. But the Justice Department said it received a complaint about the technical documentation given to the licensees. The agency concluded that the documentation "needs substantial revision" to make it more usable. A status conference is scheduled for next week in Washington, D.C. See stories by News.com, Bloomberg News, and Reuters.
Lindows changes nameAs promised last week, desktop Linux vendor Lindows Inc. today announced a new name for its software, trying for now to avoid litigation outside the United States with Microsoft, which alleges that Lindows infringes on the Windows trademark. Lindows said its operating system, previously called LindowsOS, will now be known as ... drum role, please ... Linspire. The company itself will still be called Lindows. But the surprising part is that the name of the software will also be Linspire in the United States, except "in certain instances," when the name Lindows will still be used, according to the news release. Lindows CEO Michael Robertson had seemed to suggest in this newsletter last week that the name change would apply only outside the United States. Lindows says in today's news release that, in the United States, the legal fight will continue over its use of the Lindows name for its software. As part of that case, Lindows is asking the court to declare the Windows trademark generic, and therefore invalid. The initial court rulings (see stories here and here) haven't been especially promising for Microsoft in that regard. But it was Microsoft that started the case in the first place, meeting its legal obligation to defend its trademark. The question now: If the product itself were no longer named Lindows in the United States, could Microsoft simply drop the suit, thereby sidestepping Lindows' related challenge to the Windows trademark? Or would the "certain instances" be just enough to require Microsoft to continue to pursue the suit? "It's still too early to tell how this will impact the legal proceedings," Microsoft spokeswoman Stacy Drake said after the Lindows announcement. "We need to learn more about what changes will be made." However, she added, "We're pleased to see that they've changed their name to one that does not directly infringe on our trademark. As we've said all along, this case and our issue with Lindows have always been about the name." Update, 4 p.m.: After talking about this further with lawyers who have been tracking the case, it doesn't look as if this move by Lindows opens the door for Microsoft to escape the genericness challenge. For one thing, CEO Michael Robertson says the Lindows name will still be used on software sold in retail stores in the United States. For another, Lindows' challenge to the trademark's validity came in the form of counterclaim, which would keep the issue alive even if Microsoft were to drop its claims against Lindows in the United States. In addition, even if Microsoft were able to end the case at this point, the preliminary rulings by U.S. District Chief Judge John Coughenour would still exist, perhaps influencing future cases. In one of those rulings, in March 2002, the judge wrote that there were "serious questions regarding whether Windows is a non-generic name and thus eligible for the protections of federal trademark law." More recently, in a ruling that Microsoft is appealing, he wrote that any jury assessing the validity of the Windows trademark should consider the time period prior to its 1985 debut, before the word became famous in connection with the Microsoft operating system. "Judge Coughenour's decisions are out there, and they can't make those go away," said Tom Hoffmann, a lawyer with Gray Cary Ware & Freidenrich and an adjunct professor at the University of Washington Law School who lectures on the Lindows case. "Even if Microsoft walks away from it in this case, the problem is still there and any other defendant is going to raise the same issue." Google on the offensive?It's no secret that Microsoft is preparing to take on Google in the search-engine space. But could Google emerge as a challenger on Microsoft's turf? Chris Gaither of the L.A. Times explores the possibility in this story today. (Free registration required.)
Executive blogger backEric Rudder, senior vice president in Microsoft's server and tools division, has resurfaced in the blogosphere, as Mary Jo Foley notes. For those of you who might not have been tracking this story, Rudder last May became the highest-ranking Microsoft executive to start a weblog. It was widely seen by employees as a green light to start or continue with their own personal blogs. But in the months that followed, Rudder, no doubt a very busy guy with more important things to do, posted nothing further. That changed with this post a couple weeks ago, in which he noted that others have jokingly suggested using his name as a verb for "letting one's blog go dormant." He set low expectations, writing that it's "incredibly difficult to find the time to post," but he followed up with another post yesterday, not only addressing the Sun Microsystems settlement but quoting the R&B hip-hop group OutKast to make a point. We mentioned Rudder's blog in this story last summer about the Microsoft employee blogging phenomenon. He's also the senior executive who was involved in the fender-bender mentioned in the sixth paragraph of that story. More vulnerabilitiesMicrosoft released four security bulletins today, three of them critical. The associated patches fix a total of 20 vulnerabilities in Windows and the Outlook Express e-mail program. The bulletins are part of the company's regularly scheduled monthly release, but the number of reported vulnerabilities is significantly more than usual. Click here to get the full list, and, if you're a Windows user, instructions on downloading the patches. Here's an AP story by Allison Linn with more details.
Another big settlementClick here for the official details on Microsoft's $440 million settlement and licensing agreement with InterTrust Technologies, a California company that filed a patent infringement suit against Microsoft over its digital-rights management, or DRM, technologies. See coverage by the Associated Press, the New York Times, and News.com. For more background, here is Google's cache of InterTrust's Web page detailing the case. (The actual page appears to have been taken down.)
Mag cites Longhorn trimA story by BusinessWeek's Jay Greene, citing internal e-mails obtained by the magazine, says Microsoft is scaling back some of the features of Longhorn, the next version of Windows, to make sure it's shipped in the first half of 2006. More on exec movesA couple additional notes on this story from today's P-I, about SQL Server VP Gordon Mangione and Content Development and Delivery VP Rich Kaplan moving over to the Security Business and Technology Unit: A replacement for Kaplan has not yet been named. As for Mangione's position, the company says it will essentially be covered by existing SQL Server execs and Paul Flessner, whose role as senior vice president in the Server Platform Division already includes oversight of SQL Server. See their official bios for more information about Kaplan and Mangione. A Google Web browser?In the letters section of this week's Newsweek, the magazine's readers offer some interesting responses to the recent cover story about Google. One reader suggests that Google create its own Web browser. Another notes Microsoft's search ambitions and asks, "What's the deal with Microsoft, anyway -- why does it have to be in control of everything? It's as if General Motors also wanted to own all of the gas stations, the roads you could drive on and the radio stations you might listen to on your trip." Read all the letters here.
In Yahoo's tea leavesMicrosoft won't report its quarterly earnings for a couple weeks, but Yahoo!'s strong financial results, announced yesterday, would appear to bode well for the Redmond company's MSN Internet division. Yahoo's quarterly revenue rose to $758 million from $283 million. Much of that increase is credited to revenue from Overture Services, the Yahoo company that provides sponsored search results for sites including MSN. Overture and Microsoft share the proceeds from the MSN sponsored search feature. (See our recent Microsoft Notebook for more background.) The youngest MVPIn this post yesterday, I wrote that Brian Desmond, a 16-year-old Windows Server MVP from Chicago, is the youngest person in the program. That's incorrect. In fact, the current youngest is 14-year-old Benjamin Johnstone-Anderson, a Windows Security MVP who was 13 when he first received the recognition. Thanks to those who e-mailed me about this.
Ballmer on monocultureDuring the question-and-answer session at the end of this speech today in Washington, D.C., Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was asked the "monoculture" question by a Mac user. The idea is that the pervasiveness of Windows fosters a situation in which a single software flaw could be exploited to wreak havoc around the world. (The term is borrowed from biology, where a lack of genetic diversity can make crops vulnerable to widespread damage from pests.) The person who asked Ballmer the question didn't use the word, but expressed the basic concept. See this Wired News story from February for more explanation. Here's the exchange from today's Q&A, as printed in the transcript. I'd be interested in seeing comments on Ballmer's response. Does his logic hold up? QUESTION: My name is Philip Steger. I'm from the Embassy of Austria. I'm a Mac user, and as such I've been spared many of the viruses. And one of the questions that of course comes up when you see a lot of your colleagues who are working with a specific other operating system, the question -- and having, you know, a lot of problems -- the question comes up is, isn't the preponderance of one major operating system part of the problem? Watching Channel 9If you haven't seen it yet, be sure to check out Channel 9, a Web site launched this week by a team of Microsoft employees who are trying, as they put it, to create "a new level of communication" between the company and outside software developers. The site has video interviews, a wiki, and a moblog, among other features. It's named after the United Airlines in-flight channel that lets passengers listen in on the cockpit. See coverage by Mary Jo Foley of Microsoft Watch, Ryan Naraine of InternetNews.com, and Joris Evers of the IDG News Service. MVP Summit under wrapsAccess to the Microsoft MVP Global Summit is being tightly controlled this year, even by Microsoft's standards. In contrast to years past, no reporters were allowed to listen to speeches yesterday by Microsoft executives. (The agenda included CEO Steve Ballmer and Windows Group Vice President Jim Allchin.) Microsoft's public-relations reps say the restriction was made in part because the execs were talking about some information that wasn't yet meant to be public. I was able to have some interesting conversations with a few of the MVPs during a designated press event yesterday. Phil Webster, a Windows Direct X MVP from El Paso, Texas, talked about the advantages of being able to help other developers by using his ability to view source code through the company's Shared Source Initiative. I also got a chance to talk with Thomas Lee, a Windows Server MVP from England; Greg Low, a developer tools MVP from Australia; and Brian Desmond, a Windows Server MVP from Chicago -- who, at 16, is the youngest person in the program. (He runs the network at Walter Payton High School.) (Unfortunately, as I was leaving the event, a security guard, seeing "press" on my name tag, quickly directed me to an elevator bank and out the door, squelching any hope I had of wandering around a bit.) The people attending the event are required to sign non-disclosure agreements, or NDAs, limiting what they can say about what they saw or heard. They weren't allowed to bring laptops, cameras or recording devices to the speeches yesterday. Still, some of them have posted on their blogs what little they can disclose, giving at least a flavor of what happened behind the closed doors. Here are a few of the posts from yesterday's speeches and other portions of the event: Glaser tests the watersRealNetworks CEO Rob Glaser, in Europe to launch the European versions of the company's latest media player, tells reporters that RealNetworks is talking with PC makers to assess the impact of the European Commission antitrust ruling against Microsoft. That ruling would require Microsoft to sell a version of Windows in Europe with out Windows Media Player, potentially opening the door to companies such as RealNetworks. See coverage by Reuters and News.com.
Captioning Gates' mowerJohn Paczkowski of the Good Morning Silicon Valley column held a contest among his readers to fashion a caption for this strange AP photo of Bill Gates with a background image of a lawnmower. (We posted it here a couple weeks ago.) He lists the winners toward the bottom of this column. The longer list of submissions is in this column. My favorite: "Microsoft Chairman William Gates discusses the company's new 'Where Do You Want To Mow Today?' public relations campaign ... " submitted by Greg Phillips. Tablet PCs on the mindApple Computer may be renowned for the allegiance it inspires among users, but it would be hard to match the level of devotion I heard last night during a dinner of Tablet PC enthusiasts. (In fact, I felt a little sheepish scribbling notes in my low-tech reporter's notebook.) The dinner was held by Microsoft's Tablet PC team for its MVPs, or most valuable professionals, people the company recognizes for their leadership in Microsoft-related technical communities. About 1,500 MVPs related to all sorts of product groups are in Seattle and Redmond this week for their annual summit. They are hearing from executives including Windows chief Jim Allchin and Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer today at the Washington State Convention & Trade Center. (Those speeches aren't open to the general public or press this year.) The Tablet PC aficionados at the dinner last night included Spencer Goad, of Tablet PC Buzz; Fritz Switzer of abletfactory.com; Terri Stratton of TheTabletPC.net; Linda Epstein of TabletPC2; Lora Heiny of TabletPCPost; Loren Heiny, a.k.a. the Incremental Blogger; Dennis Rice, who contributes to Tablet PC Buzz; Peter Rysavy of Tabula PC, and Chris Hassler, who has the Tablet Creations site; among others. The market acceptance of Tablet PCs has been mixed, as we reported last fall, but there are some positive signs. Among them: Stratton, who catalogs all forms of Tablet PCs on her site, said last night that it has been hard keeping up with all the new models coming out from various manufacturers.
More on Sun settlementWhen I heard the big news while on vacation last week, I found myself checking the date to make sure it wasn't April 1. I'm sure I wasn't alone. Here's the latest on Microsoft's settlement with Sun: The Associated Press reports today that the deal is unlikely to affect the European Commission's ruling against Microsoft, even though Sun helped instigate that case. John Markoff of the New York Times (republished here in the International Herald Tribune) considers the deal in the context of Microsoft's broader relationship with Silicon Valley. Steve Gillmor of eWeek.com has more of the nitty gritty in this interview with Sun's Jonathan Schwartz. Sun's employee bloggers, as listed here by Simon Phipps, have so far been mostly silent on the matter on their blogs, with exceptions including Patrick Chanezon and Richard Giles. |
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