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Windows Vista at 1 year: A computer maker's view

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I've been working for a while on an upcoming story coinciding with Windows Vista's first year on the market, and I've talked with a variety of people who have been using and working with the Microsoft operating system in different ways.

One of the most interesting perspectives came from Jon Bach, president of Puget Systems, a company in Kent, Wash., that makes high-end custom computers. As a preview, I thought it would be worth sharing some excerpts from his comments ...

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  • On the current demand for Windows XP vs. Windows Vista: "Today, we are seeing still slightly stronger Vista demand than XP, but it's pretty close, maybe 60 percent Vista, 40 percent XP. It was an interesting progression of events following the Vista release, because when Vista first came out, we naturally adopted it very quickly, everyone did, as the next prominent operating system. But we're a custom builder, so we wanted to continue to provide all options, so we kept XP around so that customers who weren't all that excited about upgrading had a choice. So we actually developed a little niche for ourselves there when all the big guys -- Dell, HP -- were going exclusively to Vista. We saw extra-strong XP sales during that time just because we were one of the few people still offering it as an option. But as soon as people realized that Vista had some maturity problems in the code, the big manufacturers promptly added it back. ... We're seeing, you could say 50-50, but it's a little bit swaying toward Vista."

    On those 'maturity' problems in the Vista code: "We're definitely still seeing them. The biggest problem we're having is with stand-by -- getting computers to go into stand-by and to come out of stand-by. That's an especially large challenge for us just because we are a custom builder. We can't just qualify one set of hardware and then use it. It's different every single time. And so it's been pretty frustrating. ... We had a customer where it was a deal-breaker to not have stand-by, and it was a very high-end system, and he was very upset that stand-by wasn't working, and so we had to have this conversation of what's possible and what isn't, and how his configuration just was not very happy about going into stand-by with Vista. We actually ended up moving him to XP, and it was kind of a frustrating process for everyone, because to him, XP symbolized taking a step back or settling for old software. But really for him, it was the more appropriate choice, because he was looking for stability and things just working -- things you find in a mature product, not in a newer product."

    On whether these kinds of problems are normal in the first year after a Windows release: "When XP came out ... I remember there was a certain level of problems. With XP it was the Windows 98 applications that would no longer work in XP, and so you had a lot of people frustrated with that, and eventually all the software manufacturers released updates and got everything working in XP, but that was different because that was something where Microsoft was changing the architecture and it was up to the software partners to stay on top of it and release updates. In this case (the stand-by issue) it's entirely within Microsoft's code -- that is where the problem lies. It has been frustrating, and I think it has been more rocky than in the past, just from the standpoint of Microsoft and what they're putting out. We have, at least, some hope on the horizon with Service Pack 1 coming out. One of the major things that Service Pack 1 is supposed to tackle is stand-by issues, and so we're hopeful to see some updates there."

    The story about Windows Vista's first year is slated to run in Wednesday's newspaper. Among other things, I spent time in the home of a West Seattle man who has been trying, without success, to get Windows Vista to work with his printer. Microsoft has also offered its perspective for the story, citing progress on a number of fronts. After the story appears, I'll link to it and post more excerpts from people I spoke with.

    In the meantime, feel free to weigh in below.

    Update: Here's the full story, running in Wednesday's newspaper.

    Posted by at January 29, 2008 2:51 p.m.
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    #91806

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/29/08 5:18 p.m.

    I have been using Vista Ultimate for almost a year now. I have been afflicted with the slow-file-copy bug--and there are not enough expletives in the English language to express my frustration with that. Other than that--very good. I can't keep my wife away from my laptop. She loves Vista and that laptop. Vista is a hundred little changes. Some, like UAC, are small annoyances that serve little purpose. Others, like HAVING to start a command prompt with administrator priveledge from a configured shortcut, rather than from Start...Run...cmd--are much more annoying, but used less frequently. 3D-flip and the 'breadcrumb' address bar are positive changes. Fast Search integrated into EVERYTHING is the Wow starts NOW. I like Vista. I recommend it. I skipped XP at home altogether and never missed anything that it had to offer over W2K--but I would never consider getting an OEM box with anything but Vista on it. XP simply has no upside at this point in time.

    Office 2007...now THAT is a different story.

    Nick.

    PS for the MAc fanboys sure to post later...ROTFLMAO
    The RDF (reality distortion field) doesn't extend to my desk. I've had the misfortune to have to support iMacs, iTunes and iPods. If MS ever DREAMED of pulling the stunts Apple gets away with, somebody would nuke Redmond. The best, most secure PC is a computer with the power plug pulled, but a Mac comes a close second. Pass on that showcase.

    #91809

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/29/08 5:24 p.m.

    Being involved with personal and mini computers since the late 70's and having designed both hardware and software during that time has given me some perspective on the current trends. I find it absolutely dispicable that Microsoft is slamming doors on its users. Vista is still an NT based OS and therefore should have allowed backwards compatibility to NT, 2K and or XP processes, drivers, and or programs. Vista instead requires twice the horsepower/memory and provides nothing more then slight glitz and glitter to its users. Over the years there have been good O/S's and ones to stay away from but its only been in this last decade where MS in its ifinite wisdom has decided that OLD should be relegated to the trash can. For over 20 years I was able to keep machines running side by side with newer technology ... today because of the current trends we are forced to replace everything ... tools that I used in the 80's and 90's no longer work and nothing has been provided to replace those tools. MS wants us totally dependent on their expertise to provide EVERYTHING to EVERYONE ... that was the probably one of the prime reasons APPLE lost out of the race in the 80's. It is too bad that the US Government caved in to splitting up MS. As for Vista, once XP is no longer supported I will be switching to Linux.

    #91812

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/29/08 5:32 p.m.

    I have had zero problems with Vista other than the ocasional freeze when my compute goes into Standbye. Other than that it works well..

    #91823

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/29/08 6:09 p.m.

    I tried an Ubuntu Live CD (whole OS runs from a cd). Wow. Try it before you go off on the whole Windows/Mac thing.

    #91855

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/29/08 7:33 p.m.

    Vista has to be the biggest misstep in a series of missteps from Redmond. It is a pig. It requires serious horsepower for no added benefit. Driver compatibility is still a major problem.

    An XP installation with Windows Defender and a good Anti-Virus program and firewall perform well and I find no reason to downgrade to Vista.

    I do hope that Microsoft does better with Windows 7. Hopefully, Vista can be skipped altogether.

    #91861

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/29/08 7:46 p.m.

    To this day, I still cannot get my HP 6310 All in One to scan.

    I actually have to scan through a BROWSER window.

    HP released Vista drivers and it still won't work.

    Other than that, I'm pleased

    #91869

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/29/08 8:09 p.m.

    It's time to free yourself, your mind and destroy capitalism... Linux: MINT, Ubuntu, Kbuntu, Dame Small Linux, Knoppix...all free. fun and exciting. So why your screwing with Vista?

    #91936

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/29/08 10:53 p.m.

    as long as you go with a new custom built pc with at lest 4 gigs of pc6400 ram Vista will work fine, i hate the mac gui.

    #91990

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/30/08 5:14 a.m.

    what about the slow media center extending to Xbox360 that is my only issue with Vista over Windows Media center 2005 Vista is just slow!!!!!

    #92062

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/30/08 8:32 a.m.

    Vista is terrible. Slow file copy, awfully slow network scanning, it hiccups all the time when switching programs. I had none of these problems with a 2 year older machine running Windows XP on my corporate network. The Vista machines are AMD dual core machines, our XP machines are Pentium Hyper Thread, and the XP machines run smoother, faster, and scan network resources better. I think Vista will work itself out at some point, but for now I'm staying on XP at home. There's nothing Vista offers that I find any better then XP at this point.

    #92068

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/30/08 8:40 a.m.

    I'm sorry but Ubuntu while fun to "mess around with" is good for only that. It's weak, primitive, and serves no real purpose at this point. I can't create all the concept art in Photoshop and Painter I need to do each day using an Ubuntu computer. Browsing the internet and playing with primitive looking office applications is nothing short of wasting time. Yeah, it's fun to use a new OS, but it doesn't do anything to streamline my production process. I commend the idea of free OS and open source, but I need to work to survive. Not play.

    #92271

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/30/08 12:56 p.m.

    "I'm sorry but Ubuntu while fun to 'mess around with' is good for only that. ..I can't create all the concept art in Photoshop and Painter I need to do each day using an Ubuntu computer."

    I couldn't disagree more with that statement. I'm running Photoshop and Illustrator CS on my PCLinuxOS work machine with WINE, and I'm doing so without any problem whatsoever. I can also run everything else that I use to be productive day by day on my Linux machine, and find the modern Linux desktop superior to or fully the equal of Vista, XP, or OS-X -- without the tremendous costs involved with those bloated proprietary operating systems.

    However on my Windows work machines (yes, I do have some!) XP Pro remains the OS of choice. Vista, in my humble estimation, has proven so far to be little more than proof that MS knows how to shoot itself in the foot. I'm open to whatever possibilities may lie in Windows 7 when it becomes available, but so far Vista has been just short of a complete disaster for a large majority of us who work for a living.

    #92535

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/30/08 10:19 p.m.

    Standby, not "stand-by."

    #92768

    Posted by unregistered user at 1/31/08 10:13 a.m.

    Have Vista on all 4 of my computers for the past year and I have had no problems at all.Love Vista and its security.

    #93541

    Posted by unregistered user at 2/1/08 3:48 p.m.

    I own an insurance agency that is constantly growing. I just bought my first Vista machine and find that I may as well have tried plugging a parking brick into my network.

    Most quoting software won't work, I can't get either the network printer, or scanner to function, and to add insult to injury, Internet speed is substantially reduced. Several hundred dollars to a MS certified specialist couldn't make it work.

    I beg anyone to offer me suggestions! I may be faced with changing out 50+ computers to Apples which is an expense I just can't afford, or start buying used XP computers to sustain growth.

    I am really panicking here. Any help on what to do will be GREATLY appreciated.

    #93737

    Posted by unregistered user at 2/2/08 3:29 a.m.

    To the poster above.

    You've experienced slower internet speeds with Vista compared to XP? That is extremely odd. I have never heard of such an issue with the offices I manage. Overall Vista is very good, other than some employees who are baffled by the UI redesign.

    #94080

    Posted by unregistered user at 2/3/08 2:48 a.m.

    When using Vista you should make sure your important software programs are going to be compatalble with it, other wise stick with xp, quick books 2007 is the only verstion that works with vista, so unless your willing to upgrade your software programs, wich are easy to pirite in windows land, don't be mad at vista, once i gave my self time to get used to vista i can't use anything else. I agrea with the other guy Mac stinks just like my spelling.

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