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October 29, 2003

More on Longhorn and Mac

Jupiter Research analyst Joe Wilcox has a unique perspective on the Longhorn vs. Mac OS X comparison -- not only because he's knowledgeable and well-versed in both platforms, but also because he's using Panther, the latest version of OS X, on the shiny Mac PowerBook laptop he's toting bravely around the Microsoft conference.

I tried to reflect his basic feelings toward the bottom of this story in this morning's P-I, but for a much more in-depth analysis of the two operating systems, see this post by Wilcox on the Jupiter Research Microsoft Monitor weblog. Here's a relevant excerpt:

I expected to see more new things from the software, or Longhorn build 4051. Most surprisingly: How little that has changed since the last leak, build 4029. From that observation, I takeaway that Microsoft’s progress on the OS is limited to core components. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. Right now, Microsoft’s main concern should be new, core technologies developers need to get the most acquainted with. Ideally, the user interface that sits on top of the core OS would come much later in the development process.

Still, I got the double déjà vu today. Many of the interface demonstrations, such as using virtual folders that short cut to different kinds of data or using a common database of contacts, were seen in earlier builds. Still, these demonstrated features showcased how Microsoft is trying to move away from the traditional hierarchal folder view. The Longhorn sidebar was there, too, complete with its longstanding clock and rotating slideshow. The sidebar supports RSS feeds, by the way. Kudos to Microsoft for that, which, by the way, demonstrates the extensibility of Longhorn’s XML support.

The features I hadn’t seen in these earlier, leaked Longhorn builds, I swear I’ve seen in Mac OS. Some examples: Translucent windows; resizing Windows that keep the integrity and quality of playing or streaming video, graphics subsystem making more use of the graphics processor; search lists that change in real time as the user inputs the text string; common address book that is available to all applications; among a few other features.

Now, I’m not trying to diss Microsoft. Companies borrow good ideas all the time. Apple does it, too. Mac OS X 10.3, or Panther, adds fast-user switching, which debuted first in Windows XP. Apple Mail now blocks external gifs, something Microsoft brought out earlier with Outlook 2003.

Deeper down, Longhorn’s guts show lots of promise and should give Microsoft’s developers a good start preparing for the operating system. ...

Posted by Todd Bishop at October 29, 2003 08:05 AM
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"Apple Mail now blocks external gifs, something Microsoft brought out earlier with Outlook 2003"

Apple Mail has been doing that since 2001.

Posted by: Atomic Bomb at October 29, 2003 12:49 PM

hmmm... and what about the msbetas.net capture of a mac os icon on a longhorn dll... was it a fake or was it true???

http://msbetas.net/lmaoMSOS9.jpg

Take into account that Intel claims that, if needed or wanted, mac os could run over an Intel microprocessor... and with virtual pc (now microsoft owns connectix) you can run xp under mac os...

Then its either they work together from time to time, or they plan to make the move to the other side of pc-ppc...

this are my two cents, real or not i just hope computing gets more easy rather than more expensive... that's it

Posted by: noname at October 29, 2003 03:44 PM

"Apple Mail has been doing that since 2001." - I'm not sure how long Mozilla, Evolution, and friends have been doing this. Quite some time.

Apple OS, Linux, Unix, BSD, AmigaOS, Beos, etc..Unix is the way. Windows is the oddball, and it's really hurting them. Linux has an estimated 18 million users and that base grows exponentially by nature. Not many people like XP, and MS is staying away so long that the novelty of the operating system is fading, and from the sound of it, this new MS OS is not going to be worth getting, while Linux is already much better than Windows in practically every way.

*opens up Gnome panel and adds clock, stock ticker, weather reports, applications menu, workspace switcher, dictionary, sticky notes, network monitor, volume control, CD player, launcher icons, CLI, and tons of other toys*

*opens up another, then another panel, placing them wherever*

*installs nVidia drivers without rebooting*

*starts Windows XP under Bochs for Linux (more free software)*

*logs in as another user in a nested window*

*logs in as another user on another screen*

I didn't realize just how far behind the curve MS was until I tried Linux. Frankly, I'm shocked and amazed by how much development occurred in the short time that I've been using Linux. (one year) In this last year, I've seen more innovation than Microsoft gave in the last ten. Who's going to be left to buy XP by 2005?

Posted by: Benjamin Vander Jagt at October 29, 2003 07:45 PM

An article comparing an OS that won't be available for another 18 months with one that has been available for two years is entirely moot. The fact is, Microsoft is playing catch-up with OSX - particularly where graphics systems are concerned. The Quartz and Quicktime layers in OSX are far superior to anything Windows currently has, and by the time Longhorn is released, there will be a new list of OSX features MS will need to develop. It's stunning that a company so relatively small can consistently out-innovate a monster like MS.

Posted by: JoBo at October 30, 2003 06:42 AM

"It's stunning that a company so relatively small can consistently out-innovate a monster like MS."

surely it is usual for monster companies to be slow.

Posted by: mARK at October 30, 2003 07:50 AM

Microsoft VAPORWARE. It's so convincing to young developers who want to seem cool and with the cutting edge of things. So typically young and male. Please support this wonderful VAPORWARE by BUYING MSFT STOCK! I wish someone at the P-I would do a bit of history on our wonderful VAPOR hear. With MS stock heading south for who knows how long... we need a big of refresher in this community.

Three years away and here we go again. I wonder what kid is working away in his lonely room with the REAL next great thing. I meant one on the bus coming from Microsoft. Too bad Gates isn't looking around for a way to pave the road ahead of one of his one kids before they get taken away by a kinder venture capital group.

So Microsoft is still using their reign of terror to gag employees. Well, try as they may, most of the real juice Blogs exist right under their own noses on the Internet. Gates had one for year before they caught him. Then they ripped it down and took away his column too, which was where he was making still more comments. I bet he would like to have a real blog now. I wonder what it's like to have three kids, a wife, overgrown company made up of trogs who play more than work, and see his company heading down...

The only way to have true security is to diversify the OS within any enterprise. Fighting with Apple and IBM is only going to open things up much more for the Young Bloods Linux sharp shooters. Ghost Rider In The Sky get a clue.

BTW, the only people who go to Microsoft Developer Conferences are the media, corporate developers who are desperate to get some clue how to fix this mess, and clueless usually uneducated developers holding MS CSE certifications. IT Idiots. They want those Microsoft bottles, sun glasses and T-Shirt so they can look K@@L~

Yee Haw~

J~

Posted by: Redmondrose at October 31, 2003 09:52 AM

Yeah- I gotta admit- The headline is just pain goofy.

"More on Longhorn and Mac"

As if a shipping product and one 3 years away can be compared.

Do any of the Windows apologists stop to consider what changes Apple will make in the next 3 years before Longhorn ships?

Do they think Apple will sit still for 3 years and let Microsoft try to catch up?

If history is any clue, Apple will still be 3 (er better make that 5) years ahead.

Paul

Posted by: Paul at November 1, 2003 11:47 AM

You can say what you like about microsoft, but everyone must admit it was MS who brought personal computing to the masses. Fans of linux will always claim they use a better & more secure system, and this may be true. Linux though, is an over complicated and not widely supported OS. The huge majority of home users, and indeed business users, do not want to have to earn a degree in computing just to play a game or use a spreadsheet. They want something familiar which gets the job done. Apple had their chance in to 80s to popularise computing and had only limited success. MS were in the right place at the right time and made the right decisions. So I say let the smaller companies be the trail-blazers, let them invent new technologies and new concepts. Then let MS perfect it!

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