Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 2:55 p.m.

McCain? Environmental?
HAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAA!!!!
what a joke and a boldfaced LIE!

I will never believe his bs on any subject, but this one takes the cake.

How many Nuke Lobbyists in his pocket?

This old coddger probably thinks coal is the real answer!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 3:12 p.m.

I hope it is BS and a lie too...because I would hate for our next president to act against something that isn't real.

Posted by Roger Knight at 5/13/08 3:16 p.m.

The frustrating thing about McCain is that if he would just articulate conservatism, the way Reagan did, he could sweep 45 states, with all the blue collar Democrats offended by the tutti-frutti liberalism adopted by their party.

Which includes the Global Warming Hoax.

We had the coldest spring in decades and it wasn't just "local", it was the entire Northern Hemisphere. The experts are now saying that we will be in a cooling trend for the next 10 years.

Perhaps we need to burn more coal, not less, for the sake of our climate!

Not that the 5 to 7 billion tons of carbon released by the use of fossil fuels each year will have any effect on the 200 billion tons that flush in and out of the biosphere through the natural carbon cycle and the trillions of tons of carbon in the biomass.

Once folks get a damn fool idea into their heads nothing can dislodge it, certainly not facts, numbers and logic!

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 3:24 p.m.

Roger,

The fact that this was "the coldest Spring in decades" supports the Global Climate Change. Once people get the "damn fool idea" that it will get warmer everywhere in their heads from lack of research and understanding it is hard to "dislodge it" as you so eloquently put it. Have a look at the "facts, numbers, and logic" before you pretend to know something about it.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 3:39 p.m.

remember people, global warming caused all the coldness, it may even create an ice age....wat bs....i hate liberals so much, grrrrrrrrrrr so dumb. I WANT ROMNEY BACK!!!!

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 3:39 p.m.

Hello, is there anybody in there in that brain of John McCain? Climate change, global warming. On what proven scientific basis are do you operate? Sleeping Beauty, Disney World, Disney Land? Zoom me up to where ever you are. As a scientist for over fifty years, this Climate Change and Global Warming is the biggest bunch of bunk that's every been perpetuated. Shame on you, buying into such hogwash, and aspiring to lead a proud, intelligent and informed American public. Shame! Shame! As the Wall Street Journal said today "You're nothing but an Obama Light!"

An over-the-hill scientist and proud Marine.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 4:16 p.m.

Bad trolls are bad....

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 5:12 p.m.

"This old coddger probably thinks coal is the real answer!"

Coal IS the answer, or at least one of them. It's the most abundant fuel source we have. Solar panels and wind farms won't support even a tenth of our energy needs. Put more money into developing better air scrubbers and build new, more efficient plants.

Oh yeah... and ramp up our nuclear program as well.

I've got a deal for you greenies: If you want to live by your principles, fine. Lets mandate that "green states" get nothing but solar and wind for the energy needs... no hydro, as dams hurt the precious fishies, after all.

The rest of us get whatever we want. You'd be buying power from us in weeks.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/13/08 6:14 p.m.

Actually, John McCain is not going to throw away the votes of those who believe "climate change" is a problem. Unfortunately, this is a very large number of people.

But, remember, the Senate voted unamimously to deny the approval of the Kyoto Accords because China and India were not included. And, Senator McCain affirms this often.

It is astounding to me that anyone can possibly believe the fairy tale the UN Panel is spinning. Every single forecast they ever made was wrong. And, when it was evident the earth was cooling, the changed to objective from preventing "warming" to "climate change." Now, if CO2 is causing it, and since CO2 levels are not fluctuating (see NOAA measurements), how can the climate be changing if the CO2 concentration is not?

The whole effort to reduce CO2 emissions for whatever reason is a complete waste of time. It is a scheme to tax the world's workers trillions of dollars in taxes for no reason at all, except to take our money.

Posted by Iblis at 5/13/08 6:31 p.m.

"remember people, global warming caused all the coldness, it may even create an ice age...."

As Red would say.... Hay Dumb ASS!!

When Artic ice melts into the Atlantic Ocean, the colder fresh water KOOLS the Atlantic Ocean thermal conveyor belt, causing the the transfer of warm air & cold air to slow down and maybe even stop. When this happens temperatures FALL, as indicated by the Little-Ice Age during the last couple of centuries.

"During the LIA, there was a high frequency of storms. As the cooler air began to move southward, the polar jet stream strengthened and followed, which directed a higher number of storms into the region. At least four sea floods of the Dutch and German coasts in the thirteenth century were reported to have caused the loss of around 100,000 lives. Sea level was likely increased by the long-term ice melt during the MWP which compounded the flooding. Storms that caused greater than 100,000 deaths were also reported in 1421, 1446, and 1570. Additionally, large hailstorms that wiped out farmland and killed great numbers of livestock occurred over much of Europe due to the very cold air aloft during the warmer months. Due to severe erosion of coastline and high winds, great sand storms developed which destroyed farmlands and reshaped coastal land regions. Impact of Glaciers

During the post-MWP cooling of the climate, glaciers in many parts of Europe began to advance. Glaciers negatively influenced almost every aspect of life for those unfortunate enough to be living in their path. Glacial advances throughout Europe destroyed farmland and caused massive flooding. On many occasions bishops and priests were called to bless the fields and to pray that the ice stopped grinding forward (Bryson, 1977.) Various tax records show glaciers over the years destroying whole towns caught in their path. A few major advances, as noted by Ladurie (1971), appear below:

1595: Gietroz (Switzerland) glacier advances, dammed Dranse River, and caused flooding of Bagne with 70 deaths.
1600-10: Advances by Chamonix (France) glaciers cause massive floods which destroyed three villages and severely damaged a fourth. One village had stood since the 1200's.
1670-80's: Maximum historical advances by glaciers in eastern Alps. Noticeable decline of human population by this time in areas close to glaciers, whereas population elsewhere in Europe had risen.
1695-1709: Iceland glaciers advance dramatically, destroying farms.
1710-1735: A glacier in Norway was advancing at a rate of 100 m per year for 25 years.
1748-50: Norwegian glaciers achieved their historical maximum LIA positions. "

http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/little_ice_age.html

Scott A. Mandia
Professor - Physical Sciences
T-206 Smithtown Sciences Bldg.
S.C.C.C.
533 College Rd.
Selden, NY 11784
(631) 451-4104
mandias@sunysuffolk.edu
http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/

Note that Mr. Mandia is not paid by the Oil and Gas interests...

Posted by Big Caddy at 5/13/08 6:44 p.m.

I can't believe that out of 300 million people these three are the best that we can find. McCain is no different than Obama and Clinton...liberal socialists.

I would never vote for anyone that is so gullible or such a panderer as to genuflect at the alter of the church of gloabal warming. What other 'shadows' will they conjure up when elected to get more of our hard-earned money?

Cap and trade...too bad we don't 'cap' the number of worthless government bureaucrats we support. Then if these loons dream up any more goofy programs they would have to 'trade' for bureaucrats from another program... Now there's a concept I could vote for...

Here's a conservative ideal for McCain...reduce the USA's carbon footprint - throw out 50 million energy consuming illegal aliens. It is magnitudes cheaper to feed them in their own countries and would use less energy too... Instead, he wants to allow every despotin the world to come here and consume away!

Posted by Steve E. at 5/13/08 9:29 p.m.

I really feel for you denialists and right-wing fanatics. I guess you'll have to sit out the election. Or how about Bob Barr? Or Ralph Nader? Maybe write-in for someone?

Posted by skeptical at 5/13/08 10:03 p.m.

Steve E hatemonger.

Posted by unregistered user at 5/15/08 4:53 p.m.

http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia

My position on the current global warming is the same as the overwhelming majority of international climate scientists: the current rate of global warming is unprecedented and is being caused by humans. In no way should my summary of the research regarding climate change and the Viking civilization/Little Ice Age be used to "prove" the current global warming is due to a natural cycle. Human forcing (output of greenhouse gases) was just not as large a factor before the 1900s as natural forcing mechanisms. That would be like comparing the number of traffic fatalities today vs. a time when there were no cars!

I highly recommend that you read the information being presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) at http://www.ipcc.ch/. Please view my PowerPoint presentation which addresses many of the questions asked about the human impact on the current climate change in a very simple format. I also suggest reading the American Geophysical Union (AGU)'s position on climate change.

It is true that there are natural climate change cycles but most of these are on the order of thousands of years to millions of years. The current global warming is not a natural cycle and is of utmost importance because modern-day humans live on time scales much smaller than the natural cycles. Therefore, mankind cannot just simply wait thousands of years for a natural cooling to occur.

It is my opinion that those who still proclaim that "the jury is still out" or that modern-day climate change is natural, are either ignorant about the scientific evidence or are politically motivated to ignore it.

Scott A. Mandia
Professor - Physical Sciences
T-206 Smithtown Sciences Bldg.
S.C.C.C.
533 College Rd.
Selden, NY 11784
(631) 451-4104
mandias@sunysuffolk.edu
http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/
http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia