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March 29, 2005

Who's blogging Grokster

Here's a quick roundup of bloggers posting accounts of this morning's oral arguments before the Supreme Court in MGM v. Grokster, the landmark-in-the-making case on the legality of file-sharing networks:

  • SCOTUSblog: "The Supreme Court put on public display Tuesday two conflicting reactions to the apparently widespread practice of downloading copyrighted songs and movies from the Internet."
  • EFF's Deep Links: "Here, from the courthouse steps, is the first EFF dispatch. ..." (Followup analysis here)
  • Timothy K. Armstrong: "I would say the argument went a little better for Grokster than I would have expected it to ..." (He points out that in its arguments, MGM and its allies conceded that ripping one's own CDs is legal, thereby preventing them from arguing otherwise in the future.)
  • IPcentral: "The issues are tough, and the Justices amused themselves tossing curve balls at all the attorneys, not to mention sliders and a knuckler or two. ..."

Others are blogging about the broader issues raised by the Grokster case, rather than today's actual proceedings:

  • Michelle Malkin: "P2P ain't just about trading your favorite tunes. It's also about sickos and smut purveyors who have unprecedented access to an unimaginable volume of child porn." (link added 1:20 p.m.)
  • herestomwiththeweather: "Let us reframe the question and get at the real question here that the big content companies are trying to hide from us. The real question is 'Are talented musicians going to be allowed an audience or will mass advertising continue to drown them out?'" (link added 1:55 p.m.)

And, of course, here's the Slashdot thread. (link added 1:55 p.m.)

Category: Mediasweep
Posted by Brian Chin at March 29, 2005 11:54 AM
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Posted by: Nandy Borderbudge at March 29, 2005 04:01 PM

It's all a wash for the RIAA and MPAA. The artists are not going to gain an inch from limiting or prohibiting companies that sell this type of software. Look at the long list of "Tape Friendly" artists, who encourage live taping and trading of their material: The Grateful Dead, Phish, Dave Matthews, Ben Harper, Cowboy Junkies, just to name a few; all tremendously popular artists, who have fought both major marketing by the industry and have had very successful careers. The industry, in my opinion, has a right to protect their investments, but how far should it be taken. BetaMAX anyone?

Posted by: x3nos at March 29, 2005 04:03 PM

Nandy! Put those things away before you give yourself a black eye [again]

I agree with herestomwiththeweather ('Are talented musicians going to be allowed an audience or will mass advertising continue to drown them out?'")

If the labels would concentrate on putting out good music instead of cr$p, they'd be rolling in so much money they wouldn't have to worry about P2P.

Posted by: Mrs. Borderbudge at March 29, 2005 05:28 PM

don't forget www.blogmaverick.com he has not only been blogging on the status but recently suggested he is funding Groksters defense. Seems like an article on blogs might be woefully incomplete without this one

Posted by: Evan at March 29, 2005 05:38 PM

Your ISP bill should mirror your cell phone bill! Its that simple..you have a certain amount of bandwidth per month to utilize based on the package you subscribe to(Rogers Cable). ISPs should then block ports to certain services based on the package you signed up for. People wont be so eager to download the world where their pockets are affected! This would also speed up the adoption of broadband, as lower bandwidth packages could be offerred!

From an active 7 year downloader, who is willing to pay for digital goods in this fashion! Hollywood stop the valuation of online piracy and change your business model! Look at your history?

Posted by: chaser7016 at March 29, 2005 07:21 PM

It doesn't matter what the Supreme Court decides -- the technology is out there and it can't be stopped. If they rule against Grokster, they'll just be proving what a backassward nation we've become and not doing any more to stop "illegal" file sharing than the original Napster ruling did.

Posted by: Charlie at March 29, 2005 08:09 PM

Greed destroys our future.

Fact it cost the record companies absolute nothing to allow millions of 'pirates' to manufacture, redistribe, and promote there product. They recieve free global promotion mostly by means of word of mouth to increase the demand for thier product.

Then they what to turn around and police the world of information. There is no way to prevent piracy other than an absolute police state on the net. All information passed between persons must be searched for illicit content ... music, pictures, art, and even human thought that is not double plus good.

Posted by: Peter Parker at March 29, 2005 08:14 PM

Blocking a particular port won't work. . .Grokster starts out as an illustration of how software develops "around" the obstacles that confront it:

Grokster is based upon sharing when the sharing is done by large numbers of otherwise autonomous computers. The only thing that all these machines have in common is a protocol and someone else's software implementation of that protocol. The protocol is every bit as useful for sharing files that ARE owned, as it is for files that are possessed under limited license arrangements (like your CD digital audio. . .or movie DVD files, etc.).

The Grokster thing is to get rid of any central servers. . .everybody is generally both server and client (I used to do this very briefly with other early software but deactivated my server status. .)

I no longer have much respect for Judiciary. . I doubt that they will even develop a fundamental understanding of how a client/server arrangement actually works.

RIAA's members are mostly criminally abusive of musicians. I KNOW I've been a musician most of my life. You should Google on "Janice Ian" and maybe "rant" to see how record companies treat artists. It's dog-eat-dog and many artists are totally abused by rec cos.

Tune

Posted by: Tune at March 29, 2005 08:25 PM

Legalities aside, studies have shown that if anything p2p helps record sales. I personally have found many new artists i very likely would not have knon of and then go tell everyone I know about them. Also, of all the downloaded music one might have how much of it would have been bought in the first place? A lot of people like "Come On Eileen", but how many were/are willing to throw down $15 for a cd just for that song? Or for that matter the dozens of albums you might like, but not enough to spend $15+ on? In the long run I can't see p2p do anything but help music as a whole and if the industry was smart they'd find a way to capitalize on it instead of mounting the impossible task of trying to turn back the clock and make p2p go away.

Posted by: Pedro Keblonski at March 29, 2005 08:36 PM

nother question

how many of you buy a cd without hearing ANY of the songs on it first?


radio perhaps
friends perhaps

but i doubt you buy a cd without hearing it first
unless its a band that has been around for a good bit and continues to be popular (read u2) but how many others?


p2p is just another type of radio, that gets artists music out

Posted by: j at March 30, 2005 09:00 AM

nother question

how many of you buy a cd without hearing ANY of the songs on it first?


radio perhaps
friends perhaps

but i doubt you buy a cd without hearing it first
unless its a band that has been around for a good bit and continues to be popular (read u2) but how many others?


p2p is just another type of radio, that gets artists music out

Posted by: j at March 30, 2005 09:01 AM
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