He sure sounds like a big addition to the club, but personally I can't root for him if he's not a Northwest native. Everyone knows that guys from Washington are the best.

Bill Bavasi -- re-sign Aaron Sele and this will be the best Christmas ever! ;-)

Munch -- yet another reason why I love reading your Morsels. BWAAH HAH HAA HAAAA!!!

So when's the press conference? I wanna see which number he chooses...

Munch, does this mean that Willie (will never) Bloomquist is DH by virtue of birth location? Seriously, that was a great announcement that I was not expecting....need to go check my blood sugar with all the exciting news!

Hey, at least we still have Bucky...

Here's a lifelong pessimist saying there's some hope for next year.

There. I said it.

The press conference will be at 4:00pm!

Mike, do you know what time the press conference is at? And do you know if any TV stations are televising it? Thanks.

All I can say is SWEEEET!
In the last few days the M's have not only shored up our two biggest needs, but they have added tremendous power at the corners along with terrific defense. (Not to mention two of my personal favorite players). For me this is a naughty dream come true.

Way to go on Beltre. For those of you interested in signing Odalis Perez there are links below:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6088/injuries.html

http://rotochamps.com/mlb-3429-Odalis-Perez.html

http://kffl.com/player/4884/mlb

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/scouting?statsId=6088

Milton or Odalis Perez and some bullpen help (Kline) would give the M's a real solid squad. Let's hope Bavasi has something up his sleeve if he is truly finished in the FA market...

I've had a bad, depressing week. But Beltre made me happy.

Now, make me really happy and go get O. Perez or Clement -- and avoid the "we're bringing him back" angle with an overpriced Derek Lowe.

Mike, you coming to the USS Mariner Pizza Feed tomorrow? I'll be the one with the eight month old daughter (who has attended more MLB games this year than I did in my first 21 years).

Well, I guess I'm glad that we got Beltre. It doesn't make us any prettier though. Sigh

How about this, we trade Winn, Leone and Speizio to the Phillies for David Bell and Pat Burrell. It would immediately make our team much better looking! And David could replace Boone if he is traded, or when his contract ends.

Besides, come on ladies, Boonie looks like he belongs on a Campbell's soup label. How old do u have to get before u lose ur baby fat?

Not to ruin the mood, but how would you guys feel if the M's kept the pitching as is? More run support and better defense at the corners will help a talented group of starters that we have. Injuries last year were also a major factor in the restructuring of both the bullpen and rotation. If everyones healthy (exept Soriano) don't you think we will be fine?

dw,
I agree, I would also add to that list another relatively cheap name that Garry of all people came up with but make a tremendous amount of sense, Polanco. With what we have left, we could quite easily sign Perez or Clement, (these would be my first choices as well) and also pick up Polanco and or perhaps Kline for the pen. If we can do these things or something similar we'll be far more competitve than I expected we would be coming into this offseason.

A big tip of the hat to Bavasi for pulling off these deals. GO MARINERS!

YESSSSS!!! After last season, you *knew* the Mariners had to have an answer. I *hoped* they would have the willpower to do something significant. But, I *doubted* they would come through. I *thought* Sexson was going to be their only answer. *Maybe* Delgado.

But Beltre? This exceeded (perhaps low) expectatons. The Mariners came through for fans.

I can't wait for the press conference!

Does anybody know what time the press conference is and if it is being shown on any television stations?

I still dont think we have the pitching to compete for the league championship .I 'm not knocking what they have done but if I hear this is it I' gonna scream..I do believe they still have between 15 and 18 million left

How do you think Milton feels the way the yanks screwed him over.

According to MLB.com, the press conference is at 4 pm PST and is being streamed on the website. I'm not sure, but it may also be televised on FSN and/or covered on radio on KJR.

According to Lincoln they are at or just below the salary limit. Pitching will likely come via a trade.

the press conf is on komo radio

I can hear beltre talk, but who is the other guy talking? Bavasi?

I'm listening to it on MLB.com

Potty,
I have no problem whatsoever if it's to save up money for the big name free agent pitchers who will be available next year.

Scott Boras was talking as well, saying what a great franchise Seattle is...

just dont tell me you are gonna have a 99 mill payroll then only spend 80

The damn press conference isn't being televised.

jeff,
if he loved us so much he would have given us Beltran...

Any word on what jersey number Beltre has chosen? I'm sure it's safe to assume that Boonie's not giving up 29...

Oh, it was Borass talking

I`m a Yankee and Mariner fan, but today just put me down as a Mariner Fan. This is a great day in Mariner Baseball. They still have some work do to but the flood gates of real optimism has been opened.

Thank you Mariner Front Office. We always knew you could do it.

What number is Beltre wearing?

I'm confident to say too that Randy Winn will be staying put. Reed hasn't played too much yet and I don't feel they will trade Winn in a package to get a starter. Comments!

Just watched it on MLB.com.

It was nice to hear the reasons Beltre came to Seattle (great fans, great city, good organization, following Edgar's footsteps). It's quite amazing that a player of his caliber actually fits the mold that the M's keep -- and thanks, Mike, for the link to the info on the Humanitarian Award.

I was, quite frankly, SHOCKED by the comments Boras was making. He really painted Seattle in a pretty good light. See -- I told you that Bavasi's friendship with Boras would help us.

I'm still shell-shocked!

But, I'm sticking to my mantra:

WHY STOP NOW?!?!?

They've got the cash, in spite of what Howard says to MLB.com. Here's to hoping they pull a hat trick out of their pockets!

And, here's to hoping that Beltre stays healthy and indeed remains the good defensive 3B-man the M's have needed since Edgar lost his hammies. The more and more I learn about Beltre, the more and more I parallel him to Edgar. Except now we're getting him a few years early (age 25 instead of 28). And, he's put up one of the best seasons for someone 25 or under. Ever.

I hope we trade Winn. We need an SP and according to Lincoln they're done spending

I wonder Beltre will ask to buy Boonies number! Dinner, car, Rolex. I'm not too sure how important the number means to him.

Rome -- evidently NOT #29 (good news for Boonie fans). Not number 11 either. How about #24 anyone??? Kidding...

He hasn't decided yet.

http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=sea

God that page looks nice

Even tho Melvin wore #3 I'd like to see beltre in that number.

Did anyone catch this comment from Bavasi at the press conference ......

(paraphrasing) ..signings upgrade our infield defense as well .... and with Reed playing CF and (pause) Winn playing LF we are very good defensively.

Did he let something slip here?

I would love for this to not be the end of it, even though H Linc says they're done spending. I think the club could get even better (and younger) by trading Boone now, along with Winn and Speizio. Freeing up the money from these contracts, roughly $15-16 million, to pursue Orlando Cabrera to play short. Cabrera allows Lopez to move to second (his more natural spot), Reed can play centerfield, and possibly sign Jeromy Burnitz to DH. The infield of Sexson, Lopez, Cabrera, Beltre and Olivo would be outstanding for many years. Hopefully they could get a young starting pitcher or relievers in the trades, and Burnitz balances the order as a lefty more than Boone does. There may even be enough money for an Odalis Perez or Matt Clement to bolster the rotation.

Bavasi in the interview stated that speiz was going to be on the bench so I don't see him getting shipped anywhere.

Who comes off of the 40-man roster for Beltre?

NO MORE OFFENSE. we need pitching

Here's a link with some very flattering things to say about Beltre from a Dodger fan...

http://www.sportsline.com/messages/message/8005849/1103319780-hexxum001

We're getting an outstanding player, clubhouse presence, and human being here. Possibly, Boras wasn't overstating it when he said Beltre was a lot like Edgar.

hmmm....Bavasi crazy like a fox?

Reed in CF sounds good. I can't imagine the M's trading Ibanez in favor of keeping Winn. More likely Bavasi was thinking Ibanez as the DH

uk m&m,
I think he might want winn in left and ibanez dhing.then have spezio off the bench.I am not sure bucky is getting a fair shot.

j you beat me to it

I have seen the 40 man roster did they DFA Santiago???

Old saying in Baseball, you can never have enough hitting ?

Wonder what Bob Melvin is saying?

If only those #$%^&$#@ ^&%%# last year.

Nope, never heard that one before.

I got a question. . .

What the freak is a Yankee fan posting on this board? Seattle Savvy? Can you say Seattle Bandwagon? Go back to Jersey!!!

I can understand winn in LF for Dfence and speed in the line up. I wonder if they're figuring that what they gain in base running speed and OF Dfence will make up for the loss in power numbers by benching Bucky. Maybe Buck will be the big bat off the bench?

Yankees are delightful,

I`m a Mariner fan as well and have been since they started you disrespectful punk. Clean up your act and enjoy the moment. I`am no bandwagon fan and never have been.

For anyone interested, MLB.com has the video version of the press conference posted.

It's pretty funny that Scott Boras has to be at the table with his client. Not that I'm complaining, because if he's up there it means you landed one of his big fish. But he's got quite the ego. :)

Reed in center, with Winn in left, and Ibanez DHing sounds ok. What do we do with Bucky. I guess we'll see in spring training.

Where is the Beltre wearing M´s uniform picture?

Where is the Beltre wearing M´s uniform picture?

That Boras loves a spotlight and having everybody attention.
I need to be a agent :)

I hope he wears #24 or #3.
It was wierd to hear Bavasi state Winn in left, Reed in center. Where does that leave Raul? DH I assume, then Jacobsen to the bench?

Everyone and Logan: You should all read Logan's post on his website.

Logan: Your article on Beltre signing is great--Congrad's and I am proud of you to be able to give Bavasi a good word--you were true to your word, you gave Bavasi his due when he produced. Good job and Thanks Logan.

Mariners are saving #24 for Ken Griffey Junior. He will be returning to the Seattle Mariners sooner than you think.

Just ask Garry.

Can we get a vote here?

Seattle Saavy is sooooooooo Bandwagon.

Clement signed a deal with the Red Sox apparently. Good news I think, if we couldn't get atleast he won't be pitching in the AL west

For those postings questioning Winn in LF, with the M's current depth, the team can now have line-ups based on starting pitchers. Here's an example of a possible switch based on if the starting pitcher is a southpaw or a righty:

Righty Starter:

Ichiro (RF) (LH)
Reed (CF) (LH)
Beltre (3B) (RH)
Boone (2B) (RH)
Ibanez (DH) (LH)
Sexson (1B) (RH)
Winn (LF) (SH)
Olivo/Wilson (C) (RH)
Lopez (or whoever) (SS)

Southpaw Starter:

Ichiro (RF) (LH)
Winn (CF) (SH)
Beltre (3B) (RH)
Boone (2B) (RH)
Sexson (1B) (RH)
Bucky (DH) (RH)
Ibanez (LF) (LH)
Olivo/Wilson (C) (RH)
Lopez(or whoever) (SS)

Depth is a good thing, so expect to see the M's use it. We also have great players who will be used all over the field on the bench. RH Cabrera plays all positions, SH Spiezo plays corner IF & OF and 2B.

"Logan: Your article on Beltre signing is great"

lol, article

By the way Seattle Savvy, can you clarify since the beginning? Do you mean:

- since Sept '95?
- since game 5 ALDS '95? (you know, the game in which they beat your beloved Yankthese)
- since opening day Safeco Field?
- since '01
- or since the M's announced the signing of Beltre 2 hrs ago?

<~~M's fan since '89 to clarify

All the Dodgers fans are so pathetic now. they wanted Depo to resign Beltre in the worst way and now that the M's got him they're all saying he's a nobody and a 1 year wonder.

'89. Can you clarify what started in '89?

Griffeys rookie season.

Sooooooooo Bandwagon

I was 10

Rack Me Rome:

Are you Seattle Savvy?

no

Some of questions I'd like someone to address here: (Pure speculation and/or rumors are just fine)

1) Why can't Bucky, with his power and low price tag, be the primary DH?

2) Is the payroll already at 99 million? If not, where is the "were done spending" from Howie coming from? (When did he say that, if indeed that is the case?)

3) How are we getting this other starter I keep hearing about if they really are done spending?

4) What type of player is Winn and/or Raul being shopped for?

Oh. I thought you were Seattle Savvy. He's a Yankee fan trying to climb aboard the M's Bandwagon.

Wonder if Seattle Saavy has a Chicago Bulls jacket or hat burried deep within his closet??? ya think??

Actually Yankee basher punk,you can call me Mr. Savvy.
I started attending games at the old King Dome in 1977. My family and I would eat fish&chips at Ivars on Alaskian way. I lived in Yakima and graduated from Eisenhower H.S. Any respectable mariner fan would have to know that Junior started his career in 1989. I happened to get his autograph personally at the Seattle Centre Flag Pavillion on that famous Upper Deck Rookie Card.That was in 1989 or 1990.

He was signing with Dave Valle. This was a hugh card show. Steve Largent,Al kaline among others were there. I remember the cheap ship the M`s had in CF. I remember when Lenny Randall tried to blow a ball foul as it slowly rolled down the 3rd base line.
Is that enough for you. I have many more memories of the Mariners. Doesn`t sound like a bandwagon fan, now does it.

Now as I said before, enjoy the moment and don`t act like a NY Punk. It`s unbecoming of a true Mariner Fan.

If you grew up in Yakima, why are you a Yankee fan? . . . Oh, that's right, because it is convenient for someone on the Bandwagon.

MFG and Steve:
Thanks.
Bavasi and his staff have delivered in bringing Beltre. Seraphim, Munch, and Bavasi supporters have every right to be happy with their guy right.

now

Yankees suck, how about this, NY Savvy has been around this blog long before both signed with us, always stating his love for the mariners eventhough he left the area. Who the heck are you? Just another complainer, give us your previous sceen name, let's see what garbage you posted before.
Otherwise Go M's it should be a great season. Let's hope the Sonics kick some Suns butt now

I agree with Bob on pitching concerns, but I will relish in this positive signing a while longer.

?A should be out of range

If you all have any baseball contributions to the questions I had, I'd really appreciate it. I know this mind boggling Yankee issue is taking precedence over everything, but some insight on the baseball issues I mentioned would be great!

Idaho Invader,
sorry I missed you, I was just getting tired of all that loud mouthing...
-I'd love to see Bucky as the everyday DH but he is still new to the big leagues it might be good to have him schooled with some more experienced player, he still has to prove he can do the job...
-I do not think that we have reached the $99 mill....
-Bavasi stated, if I'm correct, that they are done with looking for FAs for right now, they will get back into it though if the right possibilty arises
-for No 4 I have to pass no idea....

Uh, Log Cabin?

I'm with you on the David Bell trade, however what you said about Bret...pooper.

He looks like his mom and that is the shape of their faces. If you ever saw the tape of him on The Mike Douglas Show when he was 10 - that was baby fat and we would have had a crush on him then.;-)

Didn't you ever see the SI article?????

And the rest of you guys can just shut up. Log Cabin and we are building a team on different stats.

Thanks, I liked the insight. You know what else? I'm looking forward to the Insight.com Bowl too for that matter. I'm a huge OSU fan & like seeing ND getting beat. Yeah, I know that comment had absolutely no baseball value, but I was using the word insight a lot and....

Thanks again.

BTW, I'm worried that although our bullpen may be ok, it may also end up being a mess. Since there appears to actually be some leads needing to be protected next year, should I be concerned at this point?

I used to scrape gum off the bottom of the seats at the old Kingdome to feed my family because we lived in a broom closet behind one of the ladies rooms and we could not afford hotdogs.

I got Junior to autograph my son's forehead and then sold him in the parking lot for gas money.

I spit on Derek Jeter once and made obscene phonecalls to Roger Clemens.

And I have tons more fond memories of the Mariners.

Odalis Perez

And, look for Winn and Blackley to go to Reds for none other than KG Jr.

Seattle extra, more commonly know as "Kyle".
You`re so transparent.

What do you have against a fan who likes more than one team? Hurry and grow up to be a man.

Oh, don't blame Kyle. It was Suzi and she was just being silly. It's funny when someone goes on about what a longtime fan they are. It's like you dad telling how donuts used to be the size of your head and cost a nickle.

Come on, it was funny. Scraping gum off the seats. Surely you didn't think that was serious.

Evidently Kyle is not as transparent as you think.;-)

according to Howard we are at our limit..however as I figure it we have 15 to 20 mill left depending on how beltres contract is structured

Seattle Savvy - I meant no offense.

Been hitting the nog. lol

keep hitting it suzi

To the few morons blasting Seattle Savy....Save it.I happen to like a few other teams myself(Not New York). I really dont consider it bandwagon yet. They havent proven a damn thing on the field yet.We are getting a little cocky arent we? I read this blog everday. Until I read someone bashing the crap out of someone.Stick to the topic or go find another blog.

I fully intend to. There is much to celebrate!!

so everyone knows the mariners math includes the 4.75 to San Diego for Cirillo...The 2.25 0r 2.50 for wiki , the .5 for Jarvis plus whatever other human trash we are paying for

Ppppppppppth! Rasberry.

Prozac you are such a pill.

not with our rotation suzi..I do love the improvements offensively and defensively but....

BoonieFan,

I noticed the poop under properties and assumed it was Kyle or the ass trying to discredit N.Y. Savvy.
I was defending N.Y. Savvy because he has been posting here for over a year. He can be sarcastic at times but he is a true Mariner fan.
This should be a time to celebrate what the M`s F.O. has done, rather than question the loyalty of fans that live out of the area. Even some Yankee fans have been drawn to the M`s. Nothing wrong with that.

"It was tough," Beltre said. "I was born in a Dodgers uniform and the fans in L.A. know that I love that place. But I'm looking forward to coming to this town and loving these fans."

Beltre said one reason he came to the Mariners was the legacy of recently retired Mariners slugger Edgar Martinez, whom Beltre idolized while growing up in the Dominican Republic.

"Edgar Martinez was one of the best right-handed hitters ever, and he gave a lot to his community," Beltre said. "Those are the types of things I want to do here."

Oh, that's just so nice.

So not Carlos Guillien.

That's sweet. Talk about your baby fat.

I love NY. I love NY Savvy and I love the NY Yan......no that's as far as I go.

I sort of like the O's because I grew up there.

Beautiful twin ladies, since you are in a celebrating mood are we cool.

I did say I was sorry. Either way,I will refrain from the insults.

Carlos Guillen got run outta town for no good reason. Adrian Beltre got a 64 million dollar contract. What the hell do you think there gonna say? Carlos is gonna praise them for dumping him for nothing? Beltre is gonna knock them for signing him to the largest contract in there history?

Bob - the M's signed two of the top FA's. If that's not to celebrate then what is?

There isn't alot of pitching available, but they said they aren't done yet. They seem to have their eye on the ball, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt...again.

Beautiful twin ladies, since you are in a celebrating mood are we cool.

I did say I was sorry. Either way,I will refrain from the insults.

nice post suzi

I've been searching for Beltre's contract details broken down by each of the 5 years, signing bonus, etc

Please post if someone finds it before me. Thanks!

my guess has allways been the friction between Carlos Guillen and the FO was his DUI conviction. They probably really ripped him and he couldn't man up to his actions. hence the talking the "low road" on comments about the M's

Hey Garry, did you happpen to read Howard Lincolns' quote about spending and free agency? In case you didn't, in respect to more free agent signings he said, "our journey into free agency is basically done". He also stated, "I am not going to disclose what are major league payroll budget is, but we have spent most, if not all, of it. There is not an endless supply of money". Thats his quote Garry. Be very happy with who we got, but STOP talking about signing Beltran or Ordonez or Varitek. We have room for 1 pitcher now, that's it!

Like most M's fans I am delighted about the signings. Hopefully, Beltre and Sexson will live up to their hype. Now what about pitching? Do we really want to trade Winn? What do ya think teams will offer for Winn or Spezio or both? Who would ya'll go with in the number 2 batting order? Just looking for a little baseball wisdom.

Oh, according to espn the Bo Sox have or are very close to signing Clemente.

Agree with Suzi...after these 2 signings, management gets an intentional pass for awhile.

Don't expect another huge name, but we can all dream. Budget just won't support it but, I can't believe the M's are projecting to a top 5 payroll...ever think you would see that in '84, '89 or even '94?

Next year, give me a better than .500 record and a contender into September an make the playoffs in '06!

It's been a fun week to be a Mariners fan!

I received a letter from the Mariners 2 days ago, about buying group tickets (I have brought groups each year up from Portland for the past 8 summers). So, yesterday I bought 40 tickets to one of the Saturday games this summer. Even the group coordinator on the phone was excited about the Beltre trade. What a great week!
jeff

Couldn't finish the last 20 or so....soooo much crap from everyone!!! First, let me say that I was rooting for the M's to pick up Nomar or Renteria and have the lineup like this:
Ichiro - RF, Winn - LF, Renteria/Nomar - SS, Boone - 2B, Ibanez - 1B, Bucky - DH, Olivio - C, Lopez - 3B, Reed - CF. LET THE KIDS PLAY!!! Now, we should trade Ibanez and let Winn and Ichiro get on base for the big boys who can FINALLY hit them in. Reed in CF helps our defense and adds a doubles hitter to the bottom of the lineup. Ichiro loves to hit with runners in scoring position, remember?!?! Let's celebrate what we have and make it work for us! By the way, our pitchers will cruise this year with a little bit of health, and who wouldn't want Franklin (a number 3 pitcher) as our 5 pitcher?? We have a great rotation, the only upgrade I could think of is to pick up Perez or Clement and throw Franklin into the bullpen as long relief where he excelled in 2001. But we'll end up losing him as soon as he's a free agent when that happens...oh well, such is life.

Suzi....dont get me wrong I am celebrating ... I just want another starter and a little help for the pen...

They better project a top 5 payroll, they are the #3 big market team based on revenues...

Strike Clement from the conversation...

ESPN is reporting Clement signed with Boston this evening...

Bummer.

Hank,

Personally, I hope they hold onto Winn and Spezio. What they'll bring in return surely won't be as good as having two productive, switch-hitting veterans off the bench. (Spezio will rebound this year now that he's in a back up role...I bet he contributes a lot of cutch hits.)

Why trade them? We all are hoping the M's contend this year but we're really looking to 2006....why not hold your cards and see what the needs are at the trade deadline? I'm happy with the signings, and I KNOW all the starting pitchers will benefit from knowing they can give up a run or two and the game's not over yet.

As far as batting 2nd.....I'd LOVE to see Hargrove give Boone a shot there. Why not? He's more intimidating than either Winn or Reed...

Ichiro
Boone
Beltre
Sexson
Ibanez
Bucky
Reed
Olivo
Lopez

Btw.....I'm really interested to see how Olivo and Lopez play this year. I think they'll be just fine....and people that think Lopez should be in AAA next year are just high! What does he have left to prove at that level. Don't you think that playing with Beltre, Boone, and Sexson will benefit him infinitely more than being demoted?

With the Bosox Clement signing, looks like we're down to Odalis and D. Lowe for remaining FA's anywhere near resembling impact starters...

Intimidating really doesn't cut it for the two spot, contact is the operative word - not Boonie's strong suit...

ughh... why couldn't the Sonics feed off the M's energy. so close. and they were up 16.

Go M's.

True, but Boone might actually be a better hitter when he's got 2 or 3 hitters behind him that can actually hit. I agree that he's not your prototypical "contact" hitter....but until I see more of Reed, I think he's a better option than Winn.

Whatever Winn's season long stats are doesn't matter to me. When the game is on the line, he's one of the last guys I want to see at the plate. He belongs in the bottom third of the order, he's annoying and possibly dangerous in that part of the order. In the 2-hole, he's a breather between Ichiro and Beltre

Even though we lost...that Sonics game was great. Two scrappy, entertaining teams battling it out to the end. Not every shot's gonna fall this year.

Interesting idea, having Winn in LF, Reed in CF and Ibanez DH. Especially against right-handed pitchers. That would add the extra left-handed bat, and even allow more flexibility with the lineup; Against lefties Ibanez could play LF, Bucky DH, and Winn slide to CF and bat right-handed.

And I'm not so against having Winn on the club another year, either. He has proven his value as a #2 hitter and left fielder. He could make Reed's rookie year easier by giving him some days off, as described above, while still being available to trade, whether mid-season or after the year. (Note: I don't know Winn's contract status after 2005, so this is just a theory.) Then, when Winn does leave, Choo can replace him, or the M's could perhaps trade Choo and others for an established, young left fielder.

Just some thoughts.

reed is the man for the #2 spot. sure he's not proven but that swing is so sweet it just looks like a natural. to bad schnelling is so injury prone because he has that swing to , even more compact. Lew saw it, loved the kid. great personality also. i like mixing in the talented rookies (lopez and reed ) into the lineup , they're only going to develope at an accelerated rate with a very good lineup backing them.

Interesting idea, having Winn in LF, Reed in CF and Ibanez DH. Especially against right-handed pitchers. That would add the extra left-handed bat, and even allow more flexibility with the lineup; Against lefties Ibanez could play LF, Bucky DH, and Winn slide to CF and bat right-handed.

And I'm not so against having Winn on the club another year, either. He has proven his value as a #2 hitter and left fielder. He could make Reed's rookie year easier by giving him some days off, as described above, while still being available to trade, whether mid-season or after the year. (Note: I don't know Winn's contract status after 2005, so this is just a theory.) Then, when Winn does leave, Choo can replace him, or the M's could perhaps trade Choo and others for an established, young left fielder.

Just some thoughts.

(Sonics lost to the Suns? Bummer! I guess we know which team is the best in the West so far... and it isn't the right one. Look for those two to meet in the WC Finals. I'm calling it now.)

Deja vu!

Sorry about the double post - I didn't realize it had gone through before. My wireless router (don't buy D-Link - it's great as a router, and works OK for wireless, but it's not consistent) keeps dropping the connection and the page didn't refresh correctly.

(Ummm, make it M's related, man.) I guess the M's didn't drop the ball on Beltre like my router is dropping my connection.

Winn can be a good 2 hitter I think if he's used better. I'm not convinced he's an everyday player. Career-wise, he has been a better right-handed hitter .294/.436 compared to lefty .283/.401. Melvin totally mismanaged this last year, often pinch-hitting or sitting him vs. lefties, while doing the opposite vs. righties. As a platoon option, I think he could be a good second hitter in concert with Jeremy Reed.

As much as Winn appears to be expendable, I just get this feeling (and it sounds like we agree) that he's more valueable to the M's as a utility outfielder/switch-hitter off the the bench......than anything we could get in return for him. Who knows? Maybe some deal will arise that we can't refuse.

Reed hit .415 vs. righties and only .200 vs. lefties. Granted, this was in only 60 AB's. From what I saw of him in T-Town though, he still looks pretty lost vs. lefties.

Interesting point Mark,

It makes sense except for one part.....no contending team has ever had a platoon situation in the 2-hole. Winn doesn't belong there (you said it yourself "I'm not sure he's an everyday player") It remains to be seen what Reed can do.....in the meantime, what's the harm in seeing what Boonie can do?

My boyfriend told me that all Winn needs to do is change his bat size.

He uses a #4 bat. This is fine if you bat 4th in the batting order. He should be using a #2 bat.

I agree with both of you.

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Logan (Summers):

Do I have to tell you again? I am NOT a Bavasi supporter. I try to defend many people who are being unfairly criticized, not just him. It's only polite to not pass judgement upon a person before all the facts are known or all the actions taken place. I like that you are appreciating the positive direction he is taking the team in, and I hope, as I'm sure you do, that he can continue moving forward for the good of our Mariners.

Yeah, Ted, what the hell, it's Christmas.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/204314_boone18.html

"It's also good news for Boone, in that he won't be asked to give up his No. 29 -- the same number Beltre wore with the Los Angeles Dodgers. While he was signed to the biggest contract in Mariners history, Beltre made it clear he's not coming in asking for his number.

Even better news for Boone and his teammates is that with Sexson at first base and Beltre at third base, the Seattle infield -- Boone is a multiple Gold Glove winner -- should be solid again after a year in which the defense was basically a wreck."

"The Mariners will look at players who become free agents Tuesday by virtue of not being tendered contracts.

"If we were to go get a pitcher that cost $7 (million) or $9 million or something like that, we'd have to make a move," Bavasi said, alluding to the possibility of a trade."

Summer, are you a blond?

I think your boyfriend is stiffing you or giving you the business.Probably both.

Just to get Garry excited.....

wouldn't Beltran look great in the 2-hole?!!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/204329_domino18.html

"We had a lot of hits on Randy, but we're not moving him unless there's a heck of a deal," Bavasi said. "There were clubs saying, 'I might be able to make a steal here,' but they can't."

The other player drawing trade interest is right-hander Gil Meche, but he's not available, particularly since the offensive spending means no front-line pitching help is coming. The Mariners will either add a low-cost starter, trade for one or move salary to get another arm in the $7 million to $9 million range."

Hey, cool it with the blond remarks.

How does her boyfriend know how big Winn's bat is?

I was just watching the Adrian Beltre press conference on MLB.com. They asked him if the Sexson signing made a difference for him and he said that it showed him the Mariners were serious about being a contender. When asked if he still would have signed with the Mariners if Sexson hadn't he said, "I don't know - when I made up my mind he was already a Mariner".

After watching the whole thing I am very impressed with him. He sounds like a hard working, modest player who wants to also make a difference in his community.

I know I'll get killed for this but.........

If the Burnitz market has dried up with Shawn Green going to the D-backs, what would you think about platooning Burnitz and Bucky at DH if you can get him at a bargain?

Ichiro
Boone/Reed
Beltre
Sexson
Ibanez
Boone/Reed
Bucky/Burnitz
Olivo
Lopez

Bench:

Winn
Spezio
Cabrera
Wilson
Bucky/Burnitz

Yes, I know, we'll have to deal Bloomquist.

My boyfriend`s a sports nut. Right now he is pissy because his favorite basketball team lost tonight.

I could really care less but I`m trying to learn more about the Mariners and their players. He is also a big Mariner fan. I don`t know how he knew that Winn`s bat size was a #4 and that it should be a #2. Maybe this whole thing is a big joke on me. The bastard has a big grin on his face right now. I`m so embarrassed.

Umm...Summer....he's yanking your chain.

Bats don't come in sizes like golf clubs. They come in lengths and weights.

Is your boyfriend named Cliff?

My proposal leaves us a little thin in the speed department, I know. The Red Sox' unsung hero was Roberts. Without those clutch SB, they would have been screwed.

jeff, they say Beltre is in the Edgar mold in terms of clubhouse presence and all-around good guy persona. It should be a pleasure to have him here.

One trade I'm not happy about. We cut that ex-FSN hottie Kerry Sayers and now she works for Comcast Sports Net Chicago. Why couldn't we have gotten rid of Angie ArlatiMentik instead? It's nice to have 38 regional sports networks though so that I can bitch about these things.

His name is Rodney, but he prefers to be called Rod. I`m mad at him right now.

Angie Mentink and I have had several email conversations regarding her hair.

She seems nice enough.

She has yet to take my advice, however.

I actually like Angie (Arlati) Mentink on FSN Live - she really knows her stuff. I don't like Bill Krueger's hair - it looks fake...

For the next several weeks, Bavasi will be open to answering phone calls from other teams regarding possible trades. I forsee several trades possibly going down for:

1. Possible pitching
2. Add'l Salary relief

I personally liked Lincoln coming out to the media and saying that "were done with FA's", and the "we are either at or just below our 2005 budget".

Why? Because this gives our FO a lot of negotiating power with agents & players. Also, other teams and all agents will not think that the M's would be in the running for certain players...thinking the M's don't have money to spend. And, like the Angels on Vlad last year, the M's could swoop in at the last second and nab up someone like Beltran...in the week that it's appearing the guy they are after is going to sign.

The nice thing about how Lincoln has presented this is that all the agents out there will not be using Seattle (one less team) to bid their player salaries up sky high.

Depending on Beltre' contract structure we are currently coming in at approx $20M under our $99M budget for this year. And I am including Beltre' salary, Villone getting $1.5M, and Meche getting $2.4M.

I'm holding my ground and stating that: "The M's are FAR from done with trades and possibly 1 more big splash with a FA!"

I will humbly stand corrected come April 1st if I'm wrong, on any of add'l moves, but everyone that knows me on this blog has to admit that I've been right on with my optimism and half my projections so far this offseason...

Lets just hope I'm batting 100% by April 1st. But I am very happy so far with the moves. I still think that we are only about an 85-90 win team in 2005...AND, that we need one more power LHB bat to get us to the 100+ game winning mark!

Again, these are just my current thoughts on things, and very happy with our FO finally stepping up to the plate and delivering.

I was just as optimistic last offseason, and was EXTREMELY let down as a fan. After three full years of let downs with 'Standing Pat', I already determined that if our FO didn't drastically change their ways this offseason...I would of walked away without looking back.

Us fans can only expect to take so much from greedy corporate executives. FINALLY, they have put their money where their mouth is!!! Which mean I continue my fanatical optimistic ways.

:O)

I miss Kerry Sayers too. She wasn`t a bad looker. Nice smile and I liked her chemistry. Did FOX let her go or was it her choice? I remember a pre-season show when she ran the steps at Safeco with Bob Melvin. She was wearing sweats and tight sweat shirt.

Keep working on her Suz. On the Fox Sports Detroit station, all the FSNW people also do the Detroit Sports Report. It's funny to see them fumble through MSU basketball and MAC football as if they really know what they're talking about way up here in Seattle. I remember Angie when she used to carry the camera cables around the Kingdome for the old Prime Sports Northwest. That girl has some seriously stocky lower body, but I guess she was a pretty darn good softball player in her time for UW or somebody.

Summer, Hey baby what are your measurements? Huh,Huh,Huh

Not to bad-mouth Beltre...but every player comes across as humble and wanting to serve the community after a big contract is signed. He's 25! He's trying to say all the right things! Do you remember when we signed A-rod and he referred to the Kingdome as "a beautiful stadium"???

Wasn't Beltre criticized for bad work habits?? I don't mean to sound negative, I'm happy we have him, but c'mon guys! Don't just buy into the game...SCOTT BORAS is the man that compared his character to Edgar. I won't believe that until I see it for an extended period. Beltre spurned the Dodgers for us even though it seemed he had a 6 year deal on the table with them...yeah, that sounds like Edgar.

i think we kinda lucked into the beltre thing. yanks,cards,etc. didn't need a 3b. but i don't understand why the dodgers didn't step up to the plate a little more. this guy is to third base what beltran is to cf. and he leads them to the first playoffs scince 1988. a community service guy .and he's only 25 to boot! and they let him walk ????? WOW!!
good job bill! budget took a big hit,but this also opens up the trade market with "extra" players. my guess the roster is not even close to final yet. go bill!

I think Kerry left on her own accord.

I don't think Angie is much of a girly-girl. She says she can't do her hair.

It vexes me. I'm terribly vexed.

Sorry Munch,
I misunderstood your position on the GM. :)
Signing Beltre will impact the Mariner's for the next 5 seasons. It's hard to express how big and excellent this signing is and will mean to the franchise's future.
As far as being "unfair" in my critical view on Bavasi before landing Beltre, I strongly disagree.
I stand by my past comments on Bill, his first year as the M's GM was below average to poor.
However his second season he looks to be on the right track trying hard to make up for last season's mistakes. I commend Bavasi for changing over a new leaf, even if I don't agree with every move and offer he has made. He even has changed his tune on Jose Lopez starting. Good for him. I don't like Winn's arm in the outfield at all, he needs to go. I can't stomache watching runners score on shallow flyballs just past the infield this year.

Angie's clothes don't seem to fit her properly. She needs to be on an episode of What Not to Wear.

I don't know who that new woman is that they have.

It must be tough to be a woman sports analyst person. You are a sexual suspect from the get go.

Garry,

My hat's off to you, my friend. You had faith and we finally got a couple big fish. (admit it, you're just a little bit surprised)
I hope you're right about the last minute surprise signing! Whether it be another bat or a pitcher, I'm content with the 2 biggest signings in M's history and adjust as necessary during the season............GO M'S!!!!!!

Alot of fans had faith, WST.

Faith and belief are two different things. Belief is blind, but faith is something you hold onto even if you have doubts. So finding it somewhat surprising is not all that surprising.

It's easy to be cynical and negative.

The only thing cynicism gets you is that if it turns out you were right you get to say "See. Told ya."

Which, really, isn't that great. But the ego loves to be right.

Of course, this time the people who remained positive get to say "See? Told ya." ;-)

faith
n.

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. (See Synonyms at belief).
"

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

I lived in lala land and the press down there always spoke fondly of Beltre, so I don't think it's the typical Boras sell job - who knows? Speaking of the Dodgers, how much worse of an offseason can they have losing Beltre and Green. Kent should be a plus though. With Hee Seop Choi at first and nobody at third, it could be a long season in Chavez Ravine.

LOL at the kingdome as a beautiful stadium. It actually did have more scenic splendor than Olympic Stadium in Montreal did.

Don't mince words Logan. By any standard, Bavasi's first year as a GM was wretched.

I'm not sexist (I don't think) but I really can't listen to football games when the ESPN chick is doing the play-by-play. I am glad they have at least relegated her to Div-II.

Lastly, I am vexed if Kerry did leave of her own accord. Did she even know how much I cared for her?

I feel so small...thank you all for enlightening me! (admit it, you're still a little bit surprised. It's not Jesus! It's Howard Lincoln!)
I've been a fan since I was 7 years old in 1979...I'm gonna be here thru the good and bad...I love this team and I intend to continue cheering and or bitching as I deem necessary!!

Sexson replaces olerud who put up good numbers before last year, beltre replaces our DH(edgar) who also put up big numbers before last year. They still did not win in the playoffs. I think the pitching is fine/maybe a new Arthur Rhodes as set up man(unless soriano is any better). We still don't have enough to win unless the rest of the team steps up and puts out the best effort. Not give up before they start. I say don't trade anyone else except spezio.

Complete sentences, people! I know I'm dumb, but posts by poeple like Ichiro San and dodaa48 make my head hurt

Dodgers signed Jose Valentin and Jeff Kent. Does this sound like another team to you? A's perhaps? Does this sound to anyone like DePo has moved the Moneyball philosophy to LA? you know, signing old, end of their career players who will sign at bargain basement prices? I guarantee you Beane is running the Dodgers via cellphone.

Wow! Where is everyone? I have to work tomorrow morning......good night! Go M's!

Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. --- Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914?), "The Devil's Dictionary"

Suzi,

A friend of mine played baseball at UW the same years that Angie played softball. According to him she was anything but a girly-girl. I think she does a good job on FSN, she drives my dad nuts however.:-) Funny subject, how did we get on that anyway?

Ok guys knnock off the talk of trading Winn and/or Ibenez not happening unless its one sweet deal as in well like the A's giving up Mark Mulder or Barry Zito and maybe the Bosox's giving up the likes of Shilling etc.. I propose trading Shiggy ,Speizo and /or Blackey or Nagottte fro a SP like A.J.Burnett and for Kline for the bullpen and fill the rest of holes in the bullpen from within like moving Franklin to long relief and spot starter role Soriano will be back with a vengence as a short set up guy and prove Heis the closer of the future . When spring training ends the rotation will be 1)Pinero 2) Moyer 3) Madtrich 4) Meche 5)Franklin(Barring a trade for A.J. Burnett and/or the signing of Perez) Bullpen: Villone,Sherill,Soriano, Mateo, JJ Putz, Matt Thorton,with some AAA'er battling with Franklin for the last spot . AS to Hargrove as manager definate a step up from Melvin (I use d to call him the gutless one) Don Baylor will get the bats cranking and Of course Bryan Price will have the pitching cooking again especially now the defenceand offence has been shored up with the signings of Sexson and Beltre . Look out ALwest and MLB the M's are looking for wins and going to get them so look over your shoulders Oakland,Anaheim,and Texas cause guess who coming to ruin your seasons the M's .

Soriano WILL NOT PITCH ONE SINGLE INNING IN 2005!! QUIT COUNTING ON HIM FOR YOUR BULLPEN!!

From the Seattle Times-
"It was suggested to Boone that things might be easier for him in 2005 with these additions because he wouldn't have to lead the team in home runs.
He just laughed.
"But I will, though," he said."
Don't think so, but you gotta love this guy.
He is Mr. Mariner now, to me.

This is a great time for Seattle and Mariner fans. We deserved this. Bud Selig probably gave Howard a good talking to when he was out here for Edgar night. That night represented everything good about baseball, in my opinion. Now Seattle is already looking more respectable in the baseball world. Even Peter Gammons would have to acknowledge that.

Hopes this gives you all some Christmas spirit and Happy Holidays!

P.S. There are great Ichiro and Edgar baseball caps at the Team Store for those who haven't seen them and are looking for that special gift for the baseball fans in their life! My brothers all get Ichiro caps this year. I'm sure they'll be thrilled.

P.S.S. I think this will be a sad weekend for baseball if one of my heroes, Randy Johnson, sells his soul. I'm just a little melancholy about that. And I really hate the thought of him toying with the Mariners. I'm sure Beltre can handle him though.

I can't see who would want Shiggy or Spezio in a trade: they are both relatively expensive and coming off terrible years. But since I am feeling sunny with the signing of Beltre and Sexson I am hoping that Spezio will be a quality backup and that Shiggy will regain his form.
I also am not worried about Ibanez and Bucky not getting at bats because Bavasi wants to start an outfield of Winn, Reed, and Ichiro. After all, people get hurt: Ibanez and Bucky, for instance, last year. They'll get plenty of playing time.
And the Ms don't have to get a stud pitcher to start the season (although that would be nice). Once teams start to fall out of the race, players become available). And I am feeling sufficiently cheerful to think the Ms won't fall out of the race.
Having blasted Lincoln and Bavasi for two years, at this point I'm inclined to cut them some slack.

WST,

"(admit it, you're just a little bit surprised) "

NOPE!!! I not at all. I have gotten dogged so much on this blog, because I have stuck to my guns WITHOUT waivering...despite all my mispelled words. Most were telling me I'm crazy and the M's would never do such things, and many wanted to know what I've been smoking stating that "the M's would NEVER do it". Everyone was adomant about Seattle likely signing Koskie & Tino, and 2nd tier players like they did last offseason.

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Allthough, I have to still admit that I thought Omar at SS for 1yr would be a GREAT experience for Lopez...BUT, I didn't think he would get more than $2M...AND IN NO WAY would I want Omar for more than $2M...I can't believe what the Giants paid for him over what 3-4yrs?!

The reality is that Seattle teams build us up just to let us down. Only the 91 Huskies and the 79 Sonics led the us to the ultimate prize. With that said, I'll take the Mariner roller coaster and hope they don't break my heart like most of the Seattle teams do.

OK Everybody, here is Beltre's contract breakdown. And, after Sexson allowing his $6M signing bonus to come out of the 2006 budget (for a total of $17.5M in 2006)...IT APPEARS the M's will pay $7M signing bonus out of their 2005 budget, so it's appearing to me that Beltre will end up getting a FRONTLOADED contract with $17M paid out in 2005:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/204304_mari18.html

Beltre signed a five-year deal worth $64 million. He gets a $10 million salary and $7 million signing bonus for 2005, with the remaining four years each at $11 million to $12 million.

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NO WONDER BELTRE SIGNED WITH US, WHEN HE'S GETTING PAID $17M IN 2005! NOWAY COULD LA COMPETE WITH THAT KIND OF A 2005 SALARY (or were willing)!

I actually like this folks!!!!!

Why?

1. It evens out those the Beltre/Sexson contracts & signing bonus' with money available in 2005 & 2006.

2. We really don't have to backload anymore contracts to attract other big players to come to Seattle. This is a plus for the M's, because the potential future players signing with us wouldn't have to take a low salary in the 1st year of their contract with us!

What about salary? My next post will break it down now, and show everyone pretty much where the M's sit at this point.

I am actually very disappointed now. I was just reading king Lincoln's comments and he basically said we just blew our entire wad on these two player. Now... I was impressed with the agressiveness that the team initially showed by signing these guys. But they are far from finished.

The relief pitching is questionable at best. Starting pitching is also quite unpredictable. If they think adding these two guys suddenly makes them world series contenders they are nuts.

Most of the line ups I keep seeing are showing our DH batting about seventh in the order. That isn't because the line up is so good... it's because Bucky isn't all that great. Excuse me... but isn't the DH position supposed to be the best hitter on a team? The guy that can hit the crap out of the ball but isn't usually all that swell in the field? See where I am coming from? No knock to Bucky... I think he would be great coming off the bench.

A top of the lineup pitcher is pretty much out of the question right now. After Martinez signed with New York there weren't any more available. I realize there may be some trades coming up... but I am doubtful any significant trades can be made with what we have to trade in return. That means that they should looking at signing more free agents to fill wholes and then trading for prospects to reduce salary.

Tony... The Skeptic

Uh, no. The DH isn't supposed to be the best hitter on the team. Seattle fans have been spoiled. It's usually a guy who can't field a position very well, or a star who is too injured to play in the field (Glaus last year), or a younger guy who is stuck behind an all star.

I'm skeptical about our pitching too, but at least Sexson and Beltre are a step in the right direction.

Clement went to Boston, so scratch him off the list of possibilities. If he ever was one. But the good news is, he didn't go to the Angels!

Well, yeah, Skeptic, the Mariners have to have some good things happen for this team to contend. We have to hope that Reed is a good enough centerfielder to keep Winn in left: if he is, you have a good outfield and a good infield. That alone should improve the pitching. Boone has to hit well and Olivo has to show some of what everyone has predicted for him. Reed has to be for real offensively.
But on the plus side, as one GM said, if Ibanez is your number 4 hitter, that's a stretch. If he's your number 6 hitter, you have a pretty good lineup.

The $17M to Beltre this year does give us a lot less to work with in 2005, BUT I DO LIKE IT over the long run. AND, it still leaves us with a chunk to spend folks...I'm going to say it again...

Players---2005-----2006

Beltre----$17M-----$11M
Boone------$9M-----$0???
Bucky----$300k----$300k
Cabrera--$1.5M----???
Cirillo--$4.7M----$0
Franklin-$2.4M----???
Guardado-$4.5M----$4.5M
Ibanez--$3.75M---$4.25M
Ichiro--$10.5M---$12.5M
Jarvis---$500k
Lopez----$300k----$300k
Mads-----$300k----$300k
Mateo----$350k----$350k
Moyer------$7M----$0
Olivo----$300k----$300k
Pineiro--$4.2M----$5.125M(Plus incentives in 2006)
Putz-----$300k----$300k
Reed-----$300k----$300k
Sexon----$4.5M---$17.5M
Sherrill-$300k----$300k
Shiggy-$2.975M----$330k
Soriano--$300k----$300k
Spiezo---$3.1M----$3.1M
Thornton--$50k----$300k???
Wiki------$2.25M--$250k Buyout
Wilson---$1.75M---$0???
Winn-----$3.75M--$3.75M ($5M team option in 2006)

-----------2005------------2006----
Totals---$81,475,000----$66,555,000

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Arby players for 2005 we'll probably sign:
Meche $2.4M (estimated)
Villone $1.5M (estimated)

Grand total spent INCLUDING Meche & Villone?

$85,075,000M!!!

With a $99M budget, the M's would have $14M left to spend in 2005.

AND with the way Sexson & Beltre's contracts are currently structured gives us right now:

$72,855,000M currently committed to contracts in 2006, and that figure does include Sexsons $17.5M salary in 2006...and Beltre getting $11M in 2006. So, the M's would still have $26.2M available to spend in 2006.

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So my next post is what we should do for the remaining offseason now that we have the contract figures from Beltre's contract.

I HAVE TO QUOTE PART OF THIS FOR EVERYBODY, because this is this was my same opinion on where the M's should go from here:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/204329_domino18.html

"Bavasi said the winter meetings drew plenty of inquiries about Winn, other teams presuming his availability.

"We had a lot of hits on Randy, but we're not moving him unless there's a heck of a deal," Bavasi said. "There were clubs saying, 'I might be able to make a steal here,' but they can't."

The other player drawing trade interest is right-hander Gil Meche, but he's not available, particularly since the offensive spending means no front-line pitching help is coming. The Mariners will either add a low-cost starter, trade for one or move salary to get another arm in the $7 million to $9 million range.
...
Signing Beltre was a big step, but there are a lot of moves left before the 2005 Mariners can take the field.

"We think it's a great sign, and we're very happy, but you have to move on immediately," Bavasi said."

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Bavasi's comments gives the M's BIG TIME negotiating power on trading Winn now. Only serious teams will be calling to work something out with us!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/204314_boone18.html

It's also good news for Boone, in that he won't be asked to give up his No. 29 -- the same number Beltre wore with the Los Angeles Dodgers. While he was signed to the biggest contract in Mariners history, Beltre made it clear he's not coming in asking for his number.

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This really shows humility on Beltre' part, and shows to me that he is the clubhouse guy we've been hearing about!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/204314_boone18.html

""We've helped ourselves, but I don't think we've addressed everything," Boone said. "I think we've got a way to go yet."

On that, Boone and the Seattle front office agree.
...
The Mariners will look at players who become free agents Tuesday by virtue of not being tendered contracts.
...
"If we were to go get a pitcher that cost $7 (million) or $9 million or something like that, we'd have to make a move," Bavasi said, alluding to the possibility of a trade."

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/mariners/story/4346104p-4118192c.html

"Not so, general manager Bill Bavasi said. “We have money left,” he said."

DID YOU HEAR THAT FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Bavasi said the Mariners covet another starting pitcher – possibly even their own free agent, Ron Villone – but that another deal wouldn’t be of a blockbuster variety unless the team is able to move a considerable amount of salary."

Bavasi said. “We have money left,”

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FOLKS isn't that what I've been advocating, even after the Sexson & Beltre signings?

Who much is the question! And, I feel VERY strongly that my numbers are pretty damn close!

I have this feeling that Meche is going to have a career year this year.

What does everyone here think of trying to lock him up to an extension at a "bargain" price of $5M to $7M a year? It's a gamble, I know, but he's just entering his prime years and looked like it was all coming together towards the end last year.

Here is my projections for the M's now:

1. Work on trades for pitching...or clear up salary over the next 1-2 weeks so the M's can go out and pickup someone like Perez.

2. The $14M left will be reserved to make a last minute run at Beltran for CF.

3. IF, AND ONLY IF, Beltran doesn't sign with us, then there still is a possibility that the M's pickup Delgado still at approx $10-$11M/yr. This would still give us enough money to possibily sign Polanco in the $4M range.

4. I'm not sure I feel comfortable with Lopez at SS fulltime just yet. During the Winter League, in 35 games he has 11 errors! YIKES!! But, his hitting is outstanding though with 9HR's. If we don't get someone like Polanco for $4M, then I can see Jolbert Cabera going 50/50 time with Lopez at SS in 2005.

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Just my latest thoughts. Now everyone can start doggen' my current ideas. But I do think this is the direction Bavasi is heading in!

AND NO I'm not Bavasi trying to get fan feedback!

I`m grateful and a little surprised at what the Mariner FO has done.

This team is starting to come together. I can`t wait til spring training.

Finnigan math???
Gary Math---- yes.

You can`t hide the truth.

I still would like to see a certain left handed power bat in the line-up along with one more sp.

Go Mariners!!!

Idaho M,

I dont' think he'll make more than Franklin does in 2005, especially considering that the M's had to send him back down to AAA during the middle of the season to work on mechanics and other things...all while the M's were paying him $2M.

He's still a risk, but a risk the M's will take on him. BUT, over the past month I've been favoring getting him locked up in 2005 for approx $2-2.5M...AND THEN, on an incentive laden contract starting in 2006 so he would be making in the range of $3-4M after 2005.

I really think he would take it!

A few thoughts...

First, a thanks (again) to Bavasi. For 48 hours we finally got a taste of how it feels to be a Yankee fan in December.

Boras... the guy's so Game Show... you almost expect to hear a little ding and see a twinkle off one of his pearly caps every time he smiles.

(Why'd he make himself so visible? Don't tell me he now wants to be loved in Seattle! Have a Scott Boras Day at Safeco?)

Talk about dealing with the devil.

And they're not done, seems to me. With Boras and the big FA packages, yes. But not in general. That $7-9 million pitching remark by Bavasi has the ring of truth to it. It's been quite a while since FO statements had that quality, and that's also a startling change, in itself.

Not to be a Happiness Nazi, but I don't know how anyone can really complain about the way things are right now. And it almost goes without saying that they're SURE to do some trade tinkering between now and spring training, and most likely with the pitching. On that last point, it even sounds as though they'd go for a gun.

It's hard to get used to this sea change. But it gets easier by the day. :-)

My God, in one fell swoop they improved drastically in offense and defense and can start the season with real confidence. I'm pretty comfortable -- and right now -- about letting 'em rip into it pretty much as they are for the first few months.

As things stand, not only do they have a solid foundation, but they also now have some serious wiggle room with contracts (and budget it seems), with most of the true deadwood having been cut away last year.

Everywhere you look, it looks clearer. Look at Winn, for instance: While he'll be very handy nearing the July deadline, it'll be interesting to see how he'll do back playing where he knows (knew) best. I've always felt he should have been given a fair chance to play within his comfort zone. It's a small thing, but just moving him left makes an upgrade in defense. Which seems to be the way it's all fitting together suddenly... each move points to an improvement.

Soooooo... I for one am satisfied and think that instead of throwing all their efforts, right now, on getting ever larger margins of offensive insurance (which would cost basically every last cent available... and no, I'm not going to engage in a calculator war with you, Garry), beyond trading moves they should sit big time on what's left.

I'm absolutely, totally convinced they haven't picked up contracts and the strategy that goes with it on Sexson and Beltre if they don't intend to see how deep they can go next summer -- they are NOT looking at 2006 -- and they'll need the cash to cover the contingencies needed to do that.

I know, this all sounds like total delirium. And, no, I haven't been hitting the eggnog early.

Just seems to me, you don't decide to buy a Ferrari just to see how good it makes your garage look.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/baseball/mlb/san_francisco_giants/10447621.htm

"However, the Giants are exploring the trade and free-agent markets for a center fielder who would enable them to move Marquis Grissom to right field."

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I've been saying since the Winter Mtgs that I feel that Winn is Giant Bound! There was an article last weekend I posted with the link that stated that the Giants knew they would have to take Speizio if they wanted Winn! Hmmmmmm...

That would free up $7M right there in 2005...and another $7M in 2006.

You don't think the M's would do this in a heartbeat?

The $14M still available, and adding $7M to that pot of money gives the M's $21M to go out and pickup Beltran & Perez and still probably leaving us with $3-4M in the kiddy!!!

Garry,

I don't think Beltran should be pursued at this point in order to free up money for the pitching that needs taken care of. One starter, but keep in mind that our current starters will do much better with the better defense and run support behind them. Then go after some proven relievers.

First, I'd extend Meche for 3 years at $5-$7M as I suggested.

Second, trade Winn/Spiezio or Ibanez/Spiezio for a #3 starter.

Third, use the $$ left to pick up some relievers in the mold of Scot Shields righty and a Steve Kline lefty specialist type. Not sure if they're available, but that's the target types.

Garry,

Oops, crossed posts. If Meche would go for an incentive laden contract the following couple of years, ala Moyer, then yes I agree totally. The only problem is that the starting pitching prices have gone up so drastically this year.

One last post for the morning, and I have to go:

1. Finnigan's math was $13-16M available in 2005. But then the M's signed:

Sexson $4.5M 2005
Beltre $17M 2005
Wilson $1.75M 2005
Cabrera $1.5M 2005 (option picked up)

Wow, that adds up to $24.75M that the M's are dishing out in 2005 with offseason signings and options being picked up. AND Bavasi quoted as saying "We still have money left"!!!

We all remember Finnigan's sarcastic replies to all of our emails telling him he was full of it!

I woke up in the middle of the night, not thinking how I'm going to pay my bills, not thinking that I have liitle food and an empty frig, but the fact that we are now have a weak spot on this team...SS. Many infield balls are hit to SS and seeing Lopez last season and reading he already has 11 errors in winter ball has me more wooried than what I will find for breakfast this morning. Lopez is hitting better, but then ag